Why Do I Criticize Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev?

(I am republishing an answer that I wrote on Quora. The question was asked by an anonymous user and here is the complete question in his own words: ” Why are there some opponents of Sadhguru who are dedicated to nitpick something wrong instead of learning or appreciating many correct things that he says?“)

I am pretty sure that I am one of the so called ‘opponents’ who seemingly has a dedication for criticizing him; I also think that the anonymous guy who asked this question is someone that I am aware of; a guy who feels angry and hurt after reading my criticism about Sadhguru.

So let me explain why I criticize him. I hope the poor guy understands why, instead of taking it too personal. I will also narrate the story that happened between this poor guy and me on Quora :). The poor guy is the hero of that story :).

Assume that the poor guy is the one who is in the front of everyone else, in the following image!

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This is a very important answer. So, I suggest you read it word by word without missing anything. Don’ be in a hurry to comment, read the complete answer…

This answer is going to be a long one..Because, I have to cover many things in this answer, to give you a perfect context. If you can’t read it now, just bookmark it and read it later.

Don’t wonder why I am taking my time to write all this. This is a multi-purpose answer. I will also be republishing this in my blog. I enjoy what I do and ideas simply flow like a stream once I sit down and write. So I absolutely have no difficulty in writing such answers…

First of all, I am not an opponent of Sadhguru. I don’t hate him and I am not against him personally.

I have praised Sadhguru many times. When it comes to the clarity in his speech, his wonderful voice, his humor sense, his involvement in life, his expertise in driving, his ability to be open to experience , his interest in architecture and many other things, he is excellent! You can read my review about him here: Shanmugam P’s answer to What is your review of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev (Indian yogi)?

I don’t care much about legal allegations against him. I have rarely spoken about them, except some questions that were raised regarding his wife’s death. Another blogger explains those questions better than me, I will give you that link: The controversial death of Sadhguru’s wife Vijji . There are some questions which are not addressed by Sadhguru and they are very important.

But when it comes to other allegations, I have listened to both sides of stories and I don’t always cling to one possibility. Also, I know that when a leader is running a huge organization, the leader is usually seen responsible for the fault of some unknown follower.

I don’t want to speak about something that I am not certain about, just to defame someone. But sadly, some people think that it is what I am doing. No, it is not! Defaming him is not my intention…

My Criticism is only about one and one thing only!

There is one thing that I am certain about… And my main criticism about him is related to that one thing alone! It is spiritual enlightenment and it also includes some extraordinary claims made in the name of spiritual enlightenment.

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I know what it is.. But the hardest thing to talk about is that, people already have a lot of ideas about enlightenment.. Many people think that they know what it is, by going by the words of their own gurus, their own scriptures and their own imagination..

I have had my share of wrong assumptions about it too. But it all pretty much ended in 2014..( a few of those wrong assumptions were still remaining which I got clarified three years later). I went through something, a psychological death of the sense of self, an extinction of a limited self that made me realize that I was never separate from the existence and this whole idea of a separate self is an illusion. It ended all my self-referential thinking, all the self-induced suffering, all my seeking and longing and gave me a sense of absolute freedom..

I don’t call it enlightenment because I hate to associate my experience of reality with a word that has been misused from the time immemorial. And, saying ‘I am enlightened’ is actually incorrect because that statement is inherently dualistic.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that those who have declared it were not enlightened. But it is also true that they don’t really talk about it unless there is a compelling reason. Language itself is dualistic, it can neither capture the absolute truth nor can it convey the pure experience of reality. But language can be a useful device to point out where to look and to tell people how to do that. To understand more about spiritual enlightenment, read this answer: Shanmugam P’s answer to What is enlightenment?

I have tried to meditate all my life. I did my first meditation when I was just 7 years old. I thought meditation is just sitting in closed eyes and with crossed legs with no body movement. Later when I was about 10 years old, I learnt and tried to do various asanas, pranayamas etc. But I really didn’t understand what spirituality is all about. The general idea that I had in my mind was that spirituality is all about suppressing my desires, fighting with my own mind, reading all the spiritual books in the world and trying to show extreme devotion to a personal God. It never worked even though I read all the books I could. When I was in the verge of committing suicide, I came across a book which had talks of Osho. And all I could say was ‘wow!’..You can read the full story here: The Journey of a Seeker – My Story.

If you read my short bio in my blog, it will read like this:

I am a blogger and I was a spiritual seeker. I had a tremendous awakening experience in July 12, 2014 on a Gurupurnima day in the presence of Sadhguru but I wouldn’t call that as spiritual enlightenment. But it did free me from many things and changed many things

When people read this and also read my criticism against Sadhguru, their first response is “I kind of feel weird because you say you had an awakening in the presence of Sadhguru and yet you criticize him, lol”. I am pasting a reply that I gave to one person who said this:

Yes.. I have mentioned that it happened during Sadhguru’s satsang on a guru poorinima day because that is exactly what happened. But usually what people do is add their own explanations for it. Human beings have been doing it for ages. What people forget is that correlation is not causation. Probably there is a correlation between full moon days and spiritual awakenings. But when we create our own explanations for it, errors are bound to happen. If you read my bio again, I have never said that Sadhguru’s presence caused my spiritual awakening. I was already doing everything in a focused way during the two months prior to it and it reached a peak during that day. That is all I know!

If you read my blog post regarding my spiritual journey, you will understand the context of it. The only spiritual practice that I did on a regular basis was ‘witnessing’, a meditation suggested by Osho which can be practiced anytime, anywhere.

” My way of meditation is very simple. There are one hundred and twelve methods of meditation. Out of all of those I have chosen the most simple – the most easily done. I call it witnessing.

The moment you witness something you become separate from it, you are the witness, the thing becomes an object – the witnessed.

If you are walking on the road, and you are also witnessing that you are walking – not going along just like a robot, mechanical, everyday habit, the road is known, the legs know it, you can even walk with closed eyes. But walking with absolute alertness every step, every fall of a leaf, every ray of the sun, every bird flying in front of you, fully alert… slowly, slowly, you become aware that you are not the body that is walking, you are something inside which is witnessing.

Once you have witnessed your body, you have got the knack of the method.

Then you start witnessing your thoughts – sitting silently, just watching the rush of thoughts, not interfering, not saying, “This is good. This is bad.” Not justifying, not appreciating, no judgment… non-judgmental witnessing, just like the mirror. Anybody passes by, the mirror reflects it; that’s all, it makes no comment.

Strangely enough, when you stop making comments on the thoughts, they begin to stop; your comments keep them alive. Once you are simply a mirrorlike witness, thoughts disappear, and you become aware of a deeper layer, of emotions, moods, which are very subtle. You are not even aware many times that you are sad. You are often not aware of what your emotional state is – it is very deep, there is a thick layer of thoughts. When thoughts have stopped, then you become aware of a very subtle breeze – and there is a great joy to see it pass. The method remains the same – you remain a witness without judgment.

First body, second mind, third heart. And the fourth happens on its own.

I call my way the fourth way because after the third you cannot do anything.

Once your emotions and moods disappear, suddenly there is a quantum leap – the witness has nothing to witness anymore. It comes home. It witnesses itself. It becomes both the seer and the seen, the object and the subject, and for the first time you have unity. This experience of absolute organic unity of your consciousness has been called by different names – moksha, nirvana, liberation, enlightenment, illumination. Whatever word you choose makes no difference.

But this is the ultimate peak, this is the ultimate goal of human life.

So my method is very simple. You need not even sit to do it. You can do it anywhere – walking on the street, sitting in the bus, sitting in the plane, eating, even sleeping. When you are going to sleep you don’t fall asleep suddenly, it takes a few minutes; just watch how the sleep comes in. Slowly, slowly, you will see sleep coming in, and as your witnessing becomes deeper there comes a moment when you can see that the whole night you are asleep yet still alert.

I have tried almost all one hundred and twelve methods. That list is exhaustive, there is no possibility of adding a single method more. You can make a method of combinations, but those one hundred and twelve are exhaustive.

Out of them all I have chosen witnessing, because most of them are based on this in different ways. ”

– The Last Testament Volume 4: Chapter 15 by Osho

A guy who commented on my spiritual journey in my blog kept advising me to read Vigyan Bhairav Tantra. I told him that I already read that and I also gave him the above excerpt. Then I explained the following:

What Osho called as witnessing is exactly what I practiced. Witnessing, self-inquiry, mindfulness and nididhyasana are all essentially the same, even though described differently and approached differently. It is the most direct approach and extremely powerful.

That is exactly the reason why Ramana Maharshi advocated self-inquiry. It is a deep inquiry of every thought, experience, emotion and sensation that arise moment to moment and recognizing that none of these objects of consciousness is ‘me’ or ‘mine’.

It is negating everything that arises in your consciousness as ‘not me’, ‘not me’ by simple recognition; not by thinking or analyzing or verbalizing it but just noticing for what it is. It is also called as ‘neti-neti’ method, which literally means ‘not this, not this’…

After this transformation, my life was completely different. I forgot all about spirituality, all about future and past and I totally forgot to think about me.. But there were challenges that I faced during the first 3 years because there was a period of integration. There were a lot of old tendencies which had to lose their momentum over a period of these three years. I still had deep reverence for Sadhguru during these three years and I never had a doubt regarding his claims.

In December 2016 I had to change my job. While updating my resume, I was quite surprised… What am I going to say when the interviewer asks ‘Tell me about yourself’?.. I had not thought about myself, the image of me that was derived from my past for the last three years. It has been long since I thought about my strengths and weaknesses, my objectives and all that. So, I had to make some effort to recollect many things about me.

That is when I also started posting in my blog. I had spent about Rs. 22,000 to buy Linga Bhairavi Gudi and Rs.11,000 for Dhyanalinga Yantra because I thought that It will create an energy space in my home, something that may help my family. I spent about a month from September 2016 until the Navarathri festival that year in decorating Linga Bhairavi with flowers, offering sweets and fruits to her, singing, listening and playing the songs from ‘He Devi’, an album released by Sounds of Isha. I kind of created a forced duality to see myself separate from Linga Bhairavi that triggered a lot of forgotten memories and feelings. I used to be very devotional when I was a kid and usually such practicies trigger those memories. The nine days of Navarathri that year was a period of intimate devotion and a roller coaster ride of emotions. It all came to an end on the 10th day, the Dusserah festival which I spent in Kulasekarapattinam, a town famous for Dusserah celebration. I had a permanent tattoo of Linga in my right shoulder that day.

The poor guy who thinks I am an opponent of Sadhguru thinks that the purpose of my whole blog is to criticize and defame Sadhguru. No, it is not! The very first post that I made in my blog was a poem that I wrote about Linga Bhairavi and Dhyanalinga. Here it is: தியானலிங்கமும் லிங்க பைரவியும் – Kural Venba about Isha and Linga Bhairavi

My wife was pregnant and we were expecting a delivery in the month of December. I was expecting a female kid and I wanted to name her ‘Bhairavi’. But it turned out to be a boy and we named him Lingesh. He was born on December 11th, 2016. December 11 is also the birthday of Osho; what a coincidence!

Anyway, this was the time I was slowly regaining my faculty of logical thinking. I literally stepped out of my logical mind during the transformation that happened in 2014 and I had to slowly learn to think logically. I was like a kid for the first two and a half years and I slowly learnt to act like a grown up. This was really like a second birth for me.

And I never seriously considered what happened to me but I found that Sadhguru’s version of spiritual enlightenment was seriously contradicting with many things that happened to me. There was no way that I could match what happened to me with many things Sadhguru is talking about. But still, I could never think that Sadhguru could be wrong. One thing was clear though, my seeking had ended, there was absolutely nothing that was lacking, nothing to gain anymore and nothing to improve upon! There was no solid and consistent self to improve upon or to attain anything. My life was peaceful, fulfilled, joyful and there was absolutely nothing that was lacking. There has been a sense of tremendous freedom, the kind of freedom that I had never experienced in my life. It is only when people taste such a freedom, they could understand how bound and helpless they were before.

That is when I began to interact in an online forum where I had a discussion with a lady. She explained her understanding of spiritual enlightenment as follows and she was very confident in what she was saying:

You will still live a human existence, which has polarity and that includes mental pain, it’s suffering that ends, because you know that your true Self, awareness, is not in the least effected by it and that is your true identity.

Another words, let’s say your enlightened…your mother dies. You will still feel emotional pain and even cry. Being enlightened will put it in perspective, so you won’t suffer, but you will feel mental pain, even if temporary. If you don’t like your mother (lol), then insert in that sentence someone else or your animal. This is just one example of many.

I couldn’t agree with this! We started talking about many things about how the experience of life is after enlightenment. But strangely enough, I didn’t consider myself as enlightened and I also wasn’t seeking enlightenment. I just had no concrete idea of what had happened to me.

She then posted an excerpt of her western teacher called ‘Ted Schmidt’:

Question- Is an enlightened person totally immune and never experiences fear, negative emotions?

Ted: No, as I mentioned in my last response, the enlightened person experiences life just like an unenlightened person except for one fundamental difference: the enlightened person (i.e., the person who has assimilated self-knowledge and “attained” moksha by having apprehended the fact that his or her essential nature is already free) isn’t swept away by the pain and pleasure that he or she experiences. The enlightened person knows that these experiences come and go and don’t really have any effect on the essential nature of the self. Thus, while the pain and pleasure persist, the suffering that ensues from feeling like these experiences are actually enhancing or diminishing, helping or hurting, the self ceases.

I couldn’t agree with this either. In a sense this is kind of true but this is open to many interpretations. He is not speaking about the experiential aspect of enlightenment, a change that I myself had undergone which had changed the way I experienced the reality 24/7. So in my experience, there was and is no duality; I never experientially sense that I am separate from the existence. My way of functioning in the world seemed to be a mystery that doesn’t gel with neither Sadhguru’s version nor this western Guru’s version of enlightenment.

I finally discovered that Ted’s guru was James Swartz, an old American Vedanta teacher. When I went through his website I found that he is extremely critical of Osho and also labels Ramana Maharshi as not a qualified teacher.

Also, I continued my discussion with the American lady on the forum and she also criticized Osho. At this point, I noticed my need to defend Osho and her tendency to defend James Swartz. After exchanging lengthy discussions, I got curious about Traditional Advaita Vedanta expounded by Shankara. James Swartz is a student of Swami Chinmayananda and he was insistent in saying traditional Vedanta is the only way.

One of the main myths that got busted for me is the one that Sadhguru is insisting. He says that more than 90% of the people leave the body (die) during spiritual enlightenment. You can read my answer here to know more about it: Shanmugam P’s answer to How many enlightened persons has Isha Foundation produced through its methods? .

At this time, I also realized my bias towards Osho. I decided to put it aside and began to curiously explore Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta.

That is when I realized that Sadhguru has got this whole idea of ‘90% of people leaving at the time of enlightenment’ from Osho. But Osho himself contradicted this in another discourse. Sadhguru used to say a famous story from the life of Ramakrishna which was actually something Osho made up, to explain how enlightened people create conscious karma after enlightenment. Sadhguru repeats the same story in the same style..

According to Sadhguru, body’s prarabdha karma is over at the time of enlightenment and he has to consciously create karma to keep his body alive. .. This is neither true in my experience nor it is said by anyone else in the whole history… According to advaita, prarabhdha karma can be exhausted only by living the rest of the life. Buddhism also has a similar concept. This resonated with me completely. My own past intentions were driving my life even though I don’t have any sense about future or past (memories exists but the identification is completely broken). And karma is nothing but the web of past intentions. Adhi Shankara says the same in his commentaries and Ramana Maharshi insisted the same.

You can read more about it here: Shanmugam P’s answer to Why is it said that after enlightenment a person may die? If a person is likely to die after enlightenment, then why should I pursue it if I cannot carry it for long? How does one overcome the fear of death on a spiritual path?

But you need to remember that even though prarabhda karma is the one which still runs the activities of the body, we can’t say that the person is actually bound by that karma. Because, the liberated person is no longer identified with his body. He no longer considers the prarabhdha karma of the body as his own karma. It only belongs to the body and it exists as long as the body exists.

Ramana Maharshi explains this paradox very well:

Question: Bhagavan says that when one attains enlightenment all the three karmas [sanchita, prarabdha and agamya] cease to be. But in Kaivalya Navanitam it is stated that the jnani will experience only prarabdha karma [karma being worked out in this lifetime]. Why does it say this?”

Ramana: Prarabdha is the rule prior to the attainment of Self-realisation. As such, even after the attainment of Self-realisation, a jnani appears to be experiencing prarabdha in the sight of onlookers. There are several examples which are commonly used to explain this: an electric fan goes on spinning for some time even after it is switched off; a burnt rope looks like a rope but it cannot be used to tie anything; a tree that has been felled looks just like a living tree but it is no longer alive; peas which are roasted still look like peas but they cannot sprout .

I started asking questions about Vedanta in Quora and I also went through Upanishads, Shankara’s commentaries on Upanishads and Buddhist suttas of Pali Canon. When I read them, I could immediately recognize the truth in them and I could easily separate facts from myths. I didn’t read them to add anything to my knowledge but I read them to make sense of my own experience.

A great eye opener was Shankara’s commentary on Bhagwad Gita. I also read many awakening reports which talk about this integration period. Even Shankara advises a lot of solitude after self-realization to make sure that the realization is completely integrated without any interference from the external world. He advised self-realized people to live with the strength of the Self. When he says ‘living with the strength of Self alone’, I could immediately recognize it. I didn’t do analysis, mental masturbation or research with the scriptures; All that was happening when I read Buddhist and Vedantic scriptures was a simple recognition of what has happened to me.

Let me give you an example. If someone says “I saw a huge black animal yesterday which had large ears, two horn-like organs near its mouth and a long pipe-like organ extending from its nose”, wouldn’t you immediately recognize that he is talking about an elephant? It is the exact recognition which I had when I read Shankara’s commentaries and Buddhist suttas from Pali canon.

In the mean time, I wrote some posts criticizing the views of James Swartz and his way of understating enlightenment. I was verbally abused by one of the followers of James Swartz (just like how Sadhguru’s followers become abusive). I finally decided to start a debate with James Swartz himself. We exchanged a few emails. I told him that his way of understating the experiential side of enlightenment is misleading. Finally, I had to define what I meant by the word ‘experience’. I told him that I am not talking about a special experience or an altered state of consciousness but the natural experience of reality with no duality and with no sense of separate self. He agreed to this view but he still insisted that his talks and books are not misleading; He said that a few people might have misunderstood what he is saying and reminded me that he has thousands of other students who understands him perfectly.

As things settled down, I was able to understand everything that happened in me. Let me include parts of some replies that I posted to a commentator in my blog:

There is a point in seeking where seeking completely ends and the sense of a separate self completely dissolves.. After that there is no more personal journey.. Changes may still happen, the experience of reality may continue to deepen for lifetime, but it is no longer a journey of a person… Because there is no more urge to reach anything or to attain anything. After that, whatever actions that the person does is in complete synchronization with the existence itself. There is no sense of a doership at all.. The speech and action then become the expression of the existence itself. This is my reality now.

The word nirvikalpa means ‘without any distinctions’. It just means the complete absence of duality. If it happens along with the loss of body consciousness, people usually call it ‘nirvikalpa samadhi’… But if a person experiences reality as nirvikalpa without losing body consciousness, it is called as sahaja samadhi. Many people reach sahaja samadhi without going through nirvikalpa samadhi. In sahaja samadhi, the person simple engages in day to day activities just like anybody else. But the big difference is that the person doesn’t sense a separate self or a sense of individuality anymore.. There is a sense of boundlessness and complete fulfilment.. nothing is lacking anymore and there is nothing to seek further… There is nothing to lose and nothing to gain at the absolute level.

Let me state a metaphor. A ball of sugar jumps inside a pot of water and it takes on a journey to absorb as much water as it can. It becomes smaller and smaller as time goes by until it is fully dissolved one day… Once the ball has completely disappeared, is there anymore journey for that ball? The sugar molecules which were in the ball are still there in the water, they may still undergo changes. But do those changes belong to the original sugar ball? The sugar ball is the person you think you are and the water is the existence… In a way, the sugar ball has now become water. But to be more precise and exact, the sugar ball is not there anymore. There are no clear boundaries between the sugar ball and the water. Another way of saying this would be that sugar ball and the water is one and the same now.

It is only after all this, I turned my attention towards Sadhguru again and watched some of his videos again. The first thing that I found was that there is a pretension in him and he is simply parroting the words of Osho. When it comes to spiritual enlightenment, one thing that is destroyed completely is the sense of a separate self. This is not only my own experience but also in agreement with two greatest spiritual schools of the world which is Vedanta and Buddhism.

But Sadhguru doesn’t address this at all. Instead he goes on talking about stuff which reinforce the idea of a separate self and which distracts people from actually walking on the path. He doesn’t address the psychological tendencies or traps in the spiritual paths. On the contrary, he goes on talking about stuff that would actually trap people and stop them from making any progress.

When I was seeking, I couldn’t see this! Because, I was also reading other spiritual books from other gurus, like Ramana Maharshi etc and following the practices they suggested. I couldn’t distinguish between the clarity I got from Sadhguru and the clarity I got from other gurus.

My main practice has always been witnessing that was suggested by Osho. The only reason why I went to Sadhguru satsangs or Isha ashram was because I believed that being in ‘consecrated spaces’ will help me in the path by giving me additional support. I didn’t realize at this point that Sadhguru’s main business was selling consecrated spaces and selling his own energy (For eg, On Shivarathri festival, the seats close to him are extremely expensive because that supposedly gives a chance to feel the energy and vibration of Sadhguru)..

But I know this whole energy business is bullshit because I have Linga bhairavi gudi and Dhyanalinga yantra for the last three years and I know there is no difference between being in the presence of it vs being away from it. The transformation I went through has made me absolutely receptive and there is no resistance at all from my side which will cause me to be not receptive to anything. I feel completely synchronized with the existence.

But people claim that they feel tremendous energy or vibration from Sadhguru. But in reality, it has many reasons. One reason in placebo effect. It has a powerful effect when a person is already a seeker.

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A guy asked me a question regarding this in one of my answers:

Then how would you explain following things:

  1. How sadhguru pushes people into transcendence just by his presence?
  2. why do people go crazy during initiations like shoonya and bhuta shuddhi?
  3. Why does BSP works ?
  4. What is the source of Sadhguru’s crystal clear wisdom? I don’t find that same wisdom in osho’s or ramana’s books?
  5. Why do people experience HUGE benefits by doing shambhavi?

And here is my reply:

  1. How sadhguru pushes people into transcendence just by his presence? Mostly it is placebo. If you don’t know what it is, use Google search. And the placebo effect is hundred times better when a person has already been a seeker and has already progressed to a certain level (and expecting an experience in the presence of someone who claims enlightenment). Also, you can actually see people going crazy and ecstatic watching a Michael Jackson’s stage performance and during church gatherings…I am not sure if you read the complete answer. I am not saying this after knowing him or after being in the path for just 2–3 years. I have encountered many situations which helped me to learn a lot of things. So, I am not the usual kind of skeptic that you might have come across. I even came across a person who claimed enlightenment and who had a special interest in making me his disciple. He arranged a satsang and I felt something deep when he entered the room. But it was caused by my own expectations as well as the way my mind was prepared before the satsang. But after I had a lot of personal one on one interactions with him, I knew he was cheating (I am not talking about Sadhguru here but another self proclaimed Guru). This happened in 2007.
  2. The other questions that you asked boils down to one thing: How come Shambavi and Shoonya meditations work. They will work because they are based on already available techniques. They have the same effect no matter who offers those techniques. These techniques can have a lot of positive effect on your mental health, physical health and can even offer you spiritual experiences.. But you need to have someone who is enlightened to guide you to go beyond and actually get liberated. Sadhguru’s talks don’t offer that guidance at all because he never talks about things which are very important when it comes to spiritual enlightenment.
  3. If you find some clarity in him that you don’t find in Osho and Ramana, there are two reasons. One is purely subjective and depends on what topic you are interested in. Second is his talent. Sadhguru has a degree in English literature and he has also worked on his accent and pronunciation. His accent is neutral and his voice is very clear. But this has got nothing to do with enlightenment. My school principal also spoke more clearly than Ramana Maharshi. That doesn’t make her an enlightened person. Meher Baba didn’t speak at all, that doesn’t make him an unenlightened person.

Also, try to understand the question that is asked here and try to understand the answer I have written. The question is more specific about his claim regarding curing his fracture in an hour. And In my answer, I have explained about the fact that he doesn’t speak the truth all the time. I have found him as an expert in lying, there is no question about it. I have seen enough of him in the last 14 years and I KNOW that he is mostly lying when he talks about himself.

It is also at the same time I discovered and observed many other things. I have written about those things in detail in the following answers:

Shanmugam P’s answer to What do you think of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev?

Shanmugam P’s answer to Is Sadhguru a hoax? How did he heal his asthma and ankle fracture in an hour (09:15)?

Shanmugam P’s answer to Is Sadghuru Jagi Vasudev another scam?

I am still willing to give him the benefit of doubt. But when I observed the behavior of his followers, I was completely shocked. They don’t really know what they are doing. Most of them are verbally abusive, completely biased and can’t even be open to healthy criticism. I understood that these people are completely misled and they are behaving like a parrot, just repeating Sadhguru’s words. They seem to be completely programmed. This is exactly what motivated me to write more about Sadhguru.

The perfect example is the poor guy, the hero of the story that I am going to narrate now, who might have also asked this question.

When I first wrote an answer saying that Sadhguru was simply repeating Osho, many people were not open to the idea and some people even rationalized it. Please understand, I am not complaining him of plagiarism. I am just questioning whether his enlightenment is authentic if he solely relies on borrowed words. A person who is talking from his own experience will absolutely have no need to imitate some one else’e words, terminology, examples and views. This shows a strong influence of one person over another. But when the person doesn’t mention him at all in public, that gives a sign of deliberately hiding it.

(Note, I am not talking about giving credit to Osho, this is how a lot of people misunderstand. He doesn’t even casually mention Osho’s name. But he has talked about all the other gurus. Even when someone sent him a question regarding this similarity, he just gave a clever answer, implying that it is just an imagination of the questioner. This signals a pretension. If you don’t see this obvious fact, then I am sorry; you have to google and read more about ‘Confirmation bias’ )

Since people were not open about it, I tried a different way. It is a psychological technique. I just conveyed the same message in a different way by showing Sadhguru in a positive light. I always try different approaches when it comes to writing answers and blog posts and convey the same message with different connotation. So I wrote an answer in a different style which you can read here:

Shanmugam P’s answer to Osho and Sadhguru should have some special connection. No other masters explicitly are so similar. They both are unidentical, but definitely very similar in a way with practical approach towards spirituality. What do their followers have to say?

I know that the blind followers of Sadhguru only care if a post shows Sadhguru in a positive light or not. They don’t seem to care about spiritual enlightenment but they only care about idealizing and defending Sadhguru. And after I wrote this answer, the poor guy immediately up-voted my answer and also wrote a comment saying that no one can deny what I said, because I have also explained the psychological reasons for why anyone would want to deny it.

But the same guy acted in a different way when I wrote another answer. I will tell you what he did shortly.. There was a question asked in Quora about why Nirmuktha site criticizes Sadhguru. For me the reason was obvious. Sadhguru voluntarily talked about Higgs Boson, which is completely out of his scope and ridiculed scientists. He implied that what science is discovering now has been discovered by our yogis and we knew the whole truth all along. This is completely unnecessary and is bound to invite criticism. How do you think a person who is passionate about science will react to such a comment? Is such a comment really necessary in the first place?

Only after seeing some comments in the Nirmuktha website, I realized that Sadhguru is creating prejudice against Science among his followers.

Science is not in competition to spirituality, it is only complementary. When both are bridged together, a lot can be accomplished. That is my whole effort and that is also the topic of my recent book (The Truth About Spiritual Enlightenment: Bridging Science, Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta). This book is the result of my whole life.

The answers to that question were also an attempt to provide some kind of justification to Sadhguru’s comments. For example, they asked questions like ‘Why do you expect Sadhguru to be correct on science’? … But that is not the point. The right question to ask is “why does he ridicule science and voluntarily talks about a scientific topic when he doesn’t know about it?’… Is saying ‘I don’t know’ very difficult for Sadhguru? Does he expect to not to face criticism after publicly ridiculing science?

Not knowing something is not a problem. Nobody knows everything in the world. But pretending to know something that one does not is the problem. Do you understand the difference?

But Sadhguru’s followers were reacting in a blind way. They were only reacting, desperately trying to justify him by saying totally unrelated things. Their comments were about how science is not good enough for certain things.

First of all, whether science is good enough or not is not even something that needs to be mentioned here, it is totally irrelevant. That doesn’t justify what Sadhguru said about Higgs Boson.

Seeing blind reactions, I was totally disappointed to see the kind of prejudice that Sadhguru has created. Have you ever thought that your left hand is in competition with your right hand? Then why the hell do you think science is in competition with spirituality? Why the hell do you have any need to prove that one is superior to other? I clearly see that authentic spirituality is not and cannot be in conflict with science at all!

This poor guy felt totally hurt after seeing the criticism. This is what he did: He immediately cancelled the upvote for my previous answer regarding Osho, deleted his comment and also wrote his own answer for the same question regarding Osho and Sadhguru, explaining that the resemblance between Osho and Sadhguru is merely a coincidence.. How can one of my answer regarding science and sadhguru change his opinion on a totally unrelated answer of mine? It is because he took the criticism personally. The poor guy doesn’t even understand what he is doing and doesn’t recognize this as blindness.

After some days, I wrote another answer: Shanmugam P’s answer to What are scientists’ opinions on Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev’s IIT Madras talk about water having memory and his abilities to manipulate its taste via telekinesis?

And I said something very valid, something that is not possible to deny, in that answer. I wrote it in a completely neutral way. Sadhguru claims that he was able to change the taste of water in a cup of glass to sweet by holding it in his hands for two minutes.

Let me paste a part of that answer here:

But I have also come across instances where Sadhguru voluntarily talks about science and claims that many things the science is discovered now has been already discovered by yogic methods. He may be probably doing this to create more appeal to yoga and spread it to more people with good intention.

But this is what creates a lot of arguments and questions among people. First, we don’t have any evidence for the fact that any kind of factual knowledge can be obtained through practices like meditation or yoga, even though we have been hearing such stories since ancient days. This claim and claims to do miracles have been misused by many fake spiritual leaders in our country which naturally makes people to be extra cautious and even harshly criticize all spiritual leaders. Until there is a solid evidence that such claims have any scientific basis, such criticism will even continue in the upcoming generations. This will actually make Yoga to become less appealing in the future. There is no way to stop it unless we do something about it in this generation especially when an influential public figure like Sadhguru, who claims to be able to do many things that a normal man cannot do, is alive. I can actually offer a simple solution for that.

As you see, I have first stated an obvious fact. If we don’t prove certain claims, this claims are bound to be rejected in the upcoming generations. So if your beloved leader is making an extraordinary claim, it is always good to ask for a proof.

Won’t a proof shut up the mouths of critics? Tell me yes or no.. Is it too much to ask for? Can you deny that if there is a solid evidence for even one extraordinary claim that Sadhguru has made, it will create a great appeal for yoga and also shut the mouth of critics regarding this once and for all? Touch your heart and tell me if this is true or not.. This is certainly, obviously, with no doubt, a win-win situation for everyone, with no exception.

Now, let me paste the last part of that answer:

Sadhguru has claimed many things which are extraordinary . He has done it indirectly by quoting incidents where he could do things like that. I will quote a claim mentioned in the same article that is given for this question, that can be very easily verified with an experiment.

So this lady in the house brought water for me and she’s like Kali suddenly, not just kathak, she’s like Kali. I looked at her – she’s a nice lady, today she’s in the Kali form – so I looked at her and she offered water to me and I said, ‘Amma, I don’t need this water. I don’t need to drink this water. You’re like Kali right now, I don’t need Kali’s prasadam right now, I’m fine.’ She said, ‘Why, will I poison it?’ I said, ‘No, you don’t have to poison it, it’s already done.’ Then I told her, ‘You take a sip from this glass.’ She took a sip from the glass, then I said, ‘Give me the glass to me.’ I held in my hands for two minutes and I just gave it to her, ‘You drink it now.’ She drank one sip and burst into tears and started crying, she said, ‘It’s sweet.’ I said, ‘That’s all the difference it is.’”

This is an extraordinary claim! But all he has to do is get a glass of plain water from you, hold it in his hands for two minutes and give it to you. If it tastes sweet, that is all there is to prove.

It can be verified with a scientific experiment very easily. Proving such a thing has many advantages too. Other then getting attention, Sadhguru and Isha foundation will gain more trust. It will stop people from turning way from Isha just because these claims are made. It will stop unnecessary hot criticisms filled with hatred and verbal abuses that we see all over internet. Sadhguru may win a nobel prize and Isha people will love that. He may earn millions of dollars which can be used for social welfare. Because we all know that Isha foundation already needs money for upcoming projects and currently have to rely on donations alone. In fact, many people who oppose him will start to trust that he is doing everything with a genuine interest for people’s well being and willing to donate even more. Tell me one reason why this is not a good idea!

If you understand this and are genuinely interested to make it happen, we can find a way to pass it on to Sadhguru. You can republish this answer anywhere, share this answer, upvote it or directly send an email to Isha. If each missed call can count, each upvote can count too.

Did I say anything wrong or something totally unacceptable?

But look at a comment that I got from someone:

I think, Mr. Dear Shanmugam, you are actually fooling yourself. Because Sadguru already told to everyone that to look inside and first establish in Yoga. This is what Lord Krishn said in Bhagava Geetha already. But Sadguru always insist everyone to look inside and find out yourself. Then only act! You do not know that who you are and you are talking and researching a SADGURU!! And even trying to help him or try to disaprove His Guruship even!! WHO ARE YOU??!! WHAT IS YOUR ELIGIBILITY??!! Ask yourself??!!! What a shame!!You are a shame for India. That you are trying to give Certificate for an Enlightetend Master. I live with another Enlightetend Master Sri Sri Yogananda Saraswathi and I know the full meaning of the word “Guru.” Then when it comes to the word Sadguru, He is more above than the so called Gurus and he can be the Guru of All Gurus. This is pure understanding. So don’t suspect a Sadgur’s words and you don’t have to make a research on what a Sadguru talks and do. Becuse Go and Read Shiva Samhitha and also Guru Charithra. Then you will realise that you are cimmiting a big SIN!! You may call that I a Sadguru supporter or lover! and I am sick !! But I challenge you, Go and read GURU CHARITHRA!!

I will challenge you that if you read three times GURU CHARITHRA all your life will be settled and your mind will change. You will be cured of your jealousy and suspicion!!! You have to read with love and devotion. That is first condition!! Not with Suspicion!! As Swami Vivekananda told “three things are necessary to make every nation great and every person great” I will here only give the first requirement. Other two you read in Swami Vivekananda’s works!! What he said the first important point to become great for anyone is “ Absence of Jealousy and suspicion”’

You have both!!! I feel pity on you and all those argues with a Guru! Can anyone argue with a Guru!! Only fools and egoists will argues with a Guru. But you can ask genuine questions to get genuine answers. When Sadguru answers such questions you have to understand. Remember a Guru can never till a lie. You and me may lie , but never a Guru.

First you have to go Isha and stay there for atleast three months and live a real Sadhaka life, if you want to understand Him. The after tayin ghtre and living with Him, if you still think that He is not a Guru at all, then I shall sayd that is your fte! and You are not fit for spiritual life! So that is why you live a life of a Fmily man and suffer all the prarabdha Karma outside. But there also you can understand a Guru or Sadguru, if you are a good man. But you are jealous and suspicious! You want to challenge a Sadguru and want to Help a Sadguru by giving a CErtificate for Him! My kind advice to you is that, Go and Read GURU CHARITHRA three times, so that your jealousy and suspicion will be cured!! I am sure and Guarantee. Forget about people who are tlking against Sadguru!! Eample is Sri Ramakrishna sadi when a an Elephant walks all dogs bark!! Why they are jealousy of the gaint walk of the elephant!! Same thing with others they are like the same dogs! it is not angry or abuse words! It their qualifiction, that they re only human body with a dogs mind!! Thiis is the answer for you.

Go and read GURU CHARITHRA three times! You will definitely will save your future life. After that talk!! May God save you from future misery!! After reading GURU CHARITHRA and when you understand who is a Guru, then you will feel like even praying to Sadguru Himself! That will be the change positive!! All the best!! Then I can say you life will be safe! Otheewise! Next birth you may become a dog or cat! Chances are there when you take the company of fools who bark at Sadguru!!

Do you see what this guy is saying? Isn’t this guy promoting pure blindness? Not only that, this is totally against what Sadhguru himself says.. Sadhguru says skeptics are the true seekers and I totally agree: Skeptics are True Seekers – The Isha Blog

He goes on to say that Sadhguru can never lie and we are supposed to blindly believe him. But does this random guy even know that Sadhguru himself says he lies whenever necessary?

Guess what, even though this comment is completely against what Sadhguru is saying, the poor guy, the hero of our story still has the guts to upvote that comment! He is simply upvoting the comment because now he gets some peace on seeing that I get personally attacked. But he doesn’t realize that no one can insult me… I can’t take offence from anyone, it is simple ignored. And I hope that he realizes his blindness one day…

Only a few days after that I realized that this guy is not alone. Every single person who comments on Youtube vidoes, blogs and Quora is extremely abusive, intolerant for any kind of criticism and can’t accept even a slight skepticism about Sadhguru. There are few exceptions but most of them are like this..

Just look at the nature of the comments of Sadhguru’s followers that is present in an Youtube video of Sadhguru’s speech:

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After I witnessed a lot of such comments, I am able to see that Sadhguru’s followers are unconsciously developing prejudice against science, westerners (mainly Americans), other religions (especially Christianity) and all skeptics in general. And you need to understand that prejudice is completely incompatible with spirituality.

So I decided to write this answer to make certain things clear to Sadhguru’s followers: Shanmugam P’s answer to What advice would you like to give to the followers of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev?

Only after seeing all this cultish behaviour and blind followings, I really started much of my criticism. And I have already made it very clear in one of my answers that I won’t stop my criticism until this blindness stops.

It is good for you as well to change it right away, because otherwise people will start labeling Isha as cult. So, the criticism is not about defaming Sadhguru, I don’t have the intention to defame him. The only intention I have is to make people aware of their blindness and unconsciousness. My ultimate intention has always been bridging Science with spirituality. I have elaborated it in detail in my book.

Finally, I want to end with my comments on something that the poor guy said:

Remember that sitting in a comfort zone and writing answers upon quora, creating blogs, publishing ebooks either for or against the popular figure is very easy task just like an intellectual masturbation, but to yourself approach him for testing his unproven claims and then declaring your “objective findings” is a different thing. And the latter is always preferrable for a matured mind.

First, the poor guy needs to understand that walking in the spiritual path itself takes someone away from the comfort zone. Spiritual enlightenment is totally destroying the comfort zone called ‘sense of a separate self’.

Many people think that intelligence is the top most quality that is needed in spiritual path. No! Courage is the topmost quality that is needed. You need to risk something that is considered as the most valuable thing in your life, which is what you think as ‘yourself’.. Unless you are willing to go through a psychological death, there is no question of spiritual enlightenment…

But after 2014, I am always in a comfort zone no matter what I do. I cannot leave the comfort zone because liberation is the ultimate and the greatest comfort zone ever. The pain only lies in passing through the bridge between a petty comfort zone of your sense of a separate self and the ultimate comfort zone of liberation.

Second, I see many objections which say ‘why don’t you challenge Sadhguru publicly instead of being an armchair critic? ‘ ‘Why don’t you approach him for testing his claims?’ etc.

Is Sadhguru my next door neighbor to challenge him publicly? Or do you think that I am the CEO of Sun TV? I am just an ordinary guy living an ordinary life. If you are worried about such criticisms, you are the one who should take this to Sadhguru. This is exactly what I addressed in my answer regarding water memory. But I understand where this objection is coming from. Because, this is a very common rebuttal that is taught to Isha followers. So they are just following the herd.

Third, as I mentioned very clearly, I am not really desperate about spoiling the image of a public figure. The only reason I write such things is to create an awareness about various things. I know it makes a difference. I have seen the difference that it has made and changed the way that at least some people think. And I am sure that one day or the other day such questions and criticisms will reach Sadhguru’s attention.

Fourth, I don’t support pseudoskepticism . Pseudoskepticism is different from actual skepticism. One trait of pseudoskepticism is ‘The tendency to discredit rather than investigate’. This is what the poor guy is talking about. I agree with him. But the problem is, nobody who has the power and authority to investigate is trying to investigate. And I am confident that my criticisms will somehow raise a public awareness regarding this. The same theme is present in my answer regarding water memory.

Thank you for taking your time in reading this answer. Here are two more links that I recommend the followers of Sadhguru to read:

  1. Giving and Receiving Criticism
  2. The Sociology of Calling Other People Stupid

 

Update – Aug 5th, 2018:

As a response to the comments I have been getting from the followers of Sadhguru, I have started a video series. So, watch this series before you comment (4 videos in the playlist so far:

Here is the link to the entire playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvcEPSjKqOk8Evwhz5tSlm5whxfZswlQ

 

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Author: Shanmugam

I am a blogger and a self-published author. My book "The Truth About Spiritual Enlightenment: Bridging Science, Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta" is a guide to the ultimate freedom, bliss and oneness. The book is based on my own experience.

78 thoughts on “Why Do I Criticize Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev?”

  1. Great post Shanmugam! I agree with you completely. Unfortunate that many Isha devotees think Sadhguru is beyond any criticism. Clearly, there are lot of people hell bent on “defaming” Sadhguru using lies and half-truths. Those guys should be countered and exposed. But genuine criticism from people like you should be welcomed.

    I am actually less concerned with legal issues, Vijji’s death, miraculous claims made by Sadhguru, his remarks on science etc. My biggest disappointment with Sadhguru is that he did not credit the Gurus he benefited from in this life (he only credited a past life Guru, Sri Palani Swami). Just recently, I wrote a post providing a proof that Sadhguru was involved with Rishi Prabhakar – https://ksmphanindra.wordpress.com/2017/12/10/proof-for-sadhgurus-rishi-prabhakar-connection/

    Do read and let me know your comments!

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    1. thanks for the comment.. I read your post on Rishi Prabhakar and Sadhguru two or three days before and I was actually surprised to see the photo.. I will comment more directly on your blog shortly

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      1. Your propoganda is of old type.. hahaha..you can’t make fool to North people..I think your mission of changing religion of Hindu is stopped due to sadhguru jee.

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      1. Thanks for clear my doubts too. Being a beginner listener of Sadhguru, I was confused with so many expressions of him. When I saw him on Astha on the day of Mahashivratri, what Daler Mehndi is doing there to waste our timeq instead of that we were supposed to meditate upon Sadhguru’s New creation Adiyogi. Were we all supposed to be sleepless only or be awaken for spiritual upliftment. The evidences given by you from Upanishads and osho books are really a hard job. I am really thankful to you. Keep it up.best wishes.

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  2. Hey Shanmugam! Just read your article and I’d really say that you write pretty well! I just wanted to mention some points here for this huge article you wrote… But first of all I’d like to clear up that I’m neither a blind follower of Sadhguru or of any Guru or teacher in the world. I love to understand things logically and with pure sense. So please don’t judge me for this… So as I was saying, lemme clear that it’s been just around 1 year or so since I really started listening to Sadhguru… I mean properly understanding what he says and connecting with his logical views… In the beginning you said that you had an experience that you felt was close to enlightenment but was different from the experience Sadhguru personally had himself… So I’d like to make a point here as far as I understood his videos… He said that everyone has their own unique experiences of enlightenment and that’s perfectly fine… He never mentioned anywhere as far as I remember that his own enlightenment experience should happen with each and every one in this world… If he did mention that then please tell me where coz I might have missed it… And if it’s like what he said then how on the earth can you accuse him of something he never said?
    He also mentioned in one of his vids that Enlightenment is not a daily incident in your life that you can miss probably… Whenever it happens, It’ll be the most significant incident ever happened in your life… Now you said in your article that first you felt an enlightening experience and then you read something written by someone and felt confused about your own experience… I just wanna ask you that how can you be so much confused about such an immense experience by reading anyone defining enlightenment in some other way? How can you deviate from your self experiences by reading any kind of shit written by anyone?
    So, it’ll be really appreciable of you if you give proper and logical explanations and clarifications to my queries…
    Regards
    Surya

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    1. First of all, to understand what I said, you need to have a proper understanding of what spiritual enlightenment is all about. But if you depend on Sadhguru as the only authority to understand what it is, then whatever I am going to say now will be fruitless… But still, I will try to explain…

      The version Sadhguru is presenting about spiritual enlightenment is not correct at all.. Experiences may vary but spiritual enlightenment is the same… It is nothing but a complete dissolution of a sense of separate self, which ends duality, the feeling of separation.. And there are some core instructions regarding spiritual enlightenment which Sadhguru never talks about. But as I said, he talks about everything which are actually distractions…

      How do I know this? Because, I have not only listened to Sadhguru, I have also read extensively on Ramana Maharshi’s talks, Nisargadatta Maharaj talks and others.. The only thing was, I was completely distracted after listening to Sadhguru and got a totally different idea about enlightenment. I have to admit that his talks, blog posts, and books influenced my understanding of enlightenment a lot, and as a result, I actually misunderstood what it is… But fortunately, I was always practicing the witnessing meditation suggested by Osho.

      Coming to your second question, there was no doubt that a complete transformation happened and it was very clear. What happened to me was the actual self-realization. And it indeed ended my seeking and gave me complete fulfilment.. I was very clear that my journey was over.. I have stated this in my bio and my book as well.. The only thing was, it did not coincide with the concept of enlightenment that Sadhguru is presenting. But I never bothered about it for more than 2 years, since nothing actually mattered after that.. I didn’t even care about the word ‘enlightenment’ because after all, it is just a word..

      But as I said, only after 2 years, I was able to think as usual about many things that I never thought about in the previous two years.. I have actually explained all this in this post.. You may go through this post once again if you want to..

      There is a difference between wondering ‘Am I enlightened?’ and asking ‘is this enlightenment?’… The first question implies that there is still a sense of separate self which wants to become something. But such a question cannot arise after enlightenment because enlightenment itself is a complete dissolution of the sense of a separate self .. But I have wondered ‘is this enlightenment’, because whatever happened to me did not gel with the concept of enlightenment that I had all along, the one Sadhguru was implying..His talks and books gives a totally different idea of what it is.

      I will give you an analogy. Let us say you have never tasted any fruit in your life. And you don’t understand what sweetness is. Someone tells you ‘a fruit is something which tastes sweet, but after eating a fruit you will fly! I have tasted it and I fly everyday in the evening’… Suddenly one day you get to taste a fruit not knowing that it is a fruit. You taste the sweetness and you are completely convinced that this is the sweetness that you were searching for. But you are surprised because you didn’t fly… Anyway, you don’t bother about it and move on, being satisfied with the sweetness. You eat that fruit everyday and be happy but still think that there is actually something called ‘fruit’ which will make you fly and you haven’t found it yet.. It is not a matter of concern anyway. Suddenly one day, some authoritative guy tells you that nobody flies after tasting a fruit. You then realize that the original guy who told you that misled you. Also assume that the original guy never actually helped you to find the fruit but instead someone else’s guidance helped you. But other than this, there is nothing wrong with the original guy. It is just that he pretended to know about a fruit but he actually did not. In fact, you now remember that a lot of descriptions he gave for a fruit doesn’t match with whatever you are eating. He even said that a fruit has a long tail that is longer than an elephant’s tail and has a diamond seed in it!

      Now, just apply this analogy to enlightenment. This was my situation. If you go through the links I have given in this post, it may make it even clear. Also read this: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/what-is-spiritual-enlightenment/

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      1. Well I agree with you on this and especially that fruit example… You explained it really well through that example! And to be clear enough, I said it before too that I’m not a blind follower of any person or guru and I’m only driven towards seeking the ultimate! I’m not at all interested in debating and defending anyone… But one thing still bothering me is that he said in one of his vids that he and every great spiritual person ever born handled and adviced different sections and groups of people differently according to their present needs and levels… Maybe he sounds contradictory due to that as he advices different individuals differently considering their needs and all? And I agree with that. But I agree with your example too… So what would you like to say on this?

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        1. Yes, gurus offer guidance to people according to the level of seeker and according to the present time and they also offer some general guidance as well… But a guru cannot offer such personal guidance in a public discourse.. The seeker either has to be Guru’s close disciple or at least there should be a two way conversation. If you read the talks of Ramana Maharshi, you may understand this. But that is not what is happening in case of Sadhguru. He is not really offering any guidance to enlightenment at all, in his talks. If you want to attend the programs offered by Isha, that is fine.. They are quite helpful in preparing the ground. But if you listen to his talks, it is not only a distraction but you will get a completely different idea on what enlightenment and spiritual path is all about. That is all I can say. I can see the difference between a personalized guidance and a complete misrepresentation.

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          1. You said that Sadhguru distracts you from the idea of true enlightenment. I’d like to ask you why do you think so and can you mention those incidents where he says such things that are complete distractions cause as far as I’ve understood him, he says the same thing about enlightenment as you i.e. dissolution of the duality… He just expresses it using different words… He also says that most sages generally didn’t spoke about enlightenment cause they had a chance of being misunderstood as says in this vid- https://youtu.be/o7YFWEJyJhg
            I read your article on enlightenment too and I personally didn’t found any distortion in his way of expressing it from the way you do… It’ll be much better if you point out those particular points in his videos or books as they’ll be helpful for everyone to understand the clear differences. And in that video he also mentions that people usually misunderstand him and that’s why he never defines it usually. He just shows you a tool towards it and you can know it yourself… Now I’m not supporting him or so blindly, but I didn’t found anything misleading in it either. So I’ll be grateful to you for pointing them out as there are no clear points in your blog regarding the same.

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      2. When it comes to enlightenment, I have actually not found any difference between Sadhguru, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Gopi Krishna, Yogananda, or anyone else. What they say and do in between can differ. In fact, it is true that Sadhguru speaks about and does a lot about stuff that has nothing to do with enlightenment, those serve other purposes for other people. He has always been candid about it. I for one have been very skeptical about him for 10 years – I did all the research possible, not only about Sadhguru, but about any guru or religion I came across.

        Mostly the internet is full of garbage – blind followers, internet trolls, random theories, fake hallucinations, speculations, and dear god, the forums – they are breeding places for building temples upon ignorance. Such phenomenal complication around something so phenomenally fundamentally simple. And it’s all ignorance!

        Finally, I dropped it all, all the garbage. I abandoned my intellectual traps and decided I was going to experience things for myself – all this accumulation of knowledge was due to fear and doubt in my mind. I had made more progress by simply being with an enlightened friend who made me realize how utterly fundamentally simple it was.

        It was ultimately just getting everything in the way to become transparent and step out of the way. I really never had anything to lose. It was with this in mind I took up Inner Engineering and Shambhavi and I have not regretted. I also do a simple meditation to bring my mind to settle down (when it does it simply settles down into the heart) and then I do a meditation where I observe how it’s like to strip yourself of everything. That is I am, here and now, the ‘naked’ observer experiencing everything. And then comes this — What observes and experiences I am? Do not answer the question with any idea, just listen and be totally receptive, what needs to unfold will unfold. Anyway the first 2 meditation techniques of Inner Engineering also got me here. It’s amazing what it’s like when the mind is totally silent, even if it is for a few seconds.

        All these are tools ultimately – different tools. There are also many tools to explore certain attainments in life across many dimensions. I no longer bother about what gurus eat for breakfast or what dress they wore or much of what they say – all these are irrelevant accumulations. What matters is so plain and simple it’s right in front of you.

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  3. https://youtu.be/kNVywF6q_Gs Here Sadhguru explains about Ramana Maharishi and where do you think he was misleading? In fact he was saying that Who am I is the essential question that you should discover yourself within you if you are courageous enough to do it without any external help. Please reply over this…

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    1. He has quoted not only Ramana Maharshi, but many other people. And he has indeed conveyed many insightful things in certain videos and talks (regarding spiritual enlightenment)…

      But what he says in an individual blog or video is not important.. The overall guidance a person gets by long term association is important.. Anybody can read a book by Ramana Maharshi or Osho, intellectually understand it and convey it to others. You can find many people writing or talking about such things all over the internet.

      But the question is, can that person really guide you towards liberation? The person may say something totally wrong or misleading in another instant, in another article or in another video or in another book. Such misleading information or guidance actually comes from the person’s own ideas, beliefs, conditioning, intentions and understanding, not necessarily from his authentic experience of reality. The biggest challenge that a seeker faces on the spiritual path is separating facts from myths and separating truth from illusions..

      What I am writing is from my overall understanding of what he said, overall impression and influence that he made on me in the last 13-14 years… Only after my own transformation, I clearly understood how misleading his talks and books are when it comes to spiritual enlightenment.. Again, don’t misunderstand, it is not about anything else, but spiritual enlightenment only..

      But if you ask me to make you understand something that I understood over 13-14 years, it may not be possible. The only possibility you have here is just to be open to this and keep what I say in mind. You don’t have to believe or agree with what I am saying. But if you are really seeking liberation and if your seeking is true, then you will somehow find your way.

      If you want my suggestion, then it would be to focus on Ramana Maharshi’s talks and try ‘witnessing’ meditation by Osho. And you can certainly do the programs offered by Isha Yoga. The only thing you have to be careful is to retain your skepticism and not fall in the trap of creating a cult of personality.

      Many people usually say that they don’t believe in anything blindly. But what they don’t realize is, beliefs creep in unconsciously over a long period of time. Usually, nobody believes in anything as soon as they hear something. But when they are exposed to something again and again over a period of time and when they also hear other people saying the same thing, beliefs slowly creep in, grow unconsciously, become stronger and stronger and make you a victim of confirmation bias and motivated reasoning. Then those beliefs will be the authority for you even though you may not realize it.

      Sadhguru himself says that he doesn’t have any teaching, he only has methods.. Even if you are really interested in his guidance, then the best thing to do will be to do the programs and take whatever he says with the pinch of salt. If you ask me, I would say it is better to not listen to his spiritual talks or read his books at all.

      But you always have the right to do whatever you think is right. As long as you keep your open-mindedness and skepticism and as long as you follow your own light, there is no problem.

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      1. Absolutely wonderful! Thanks for your guidance and sharing your invaluable experience of 14 years with everyone! I’ll definitely keep all your advices in my mind and will never stop questioning and seeking… Thank you again for taking out your invaluable time for writing all this! It displays your responsibility towards everyone! Well wishes to you and your family!
        Namaste 🙏
        #skepticforever

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          1. So you’re listening to him for over 14 years? How did you manage it when there was no YouTube? Did you visited at his centers or what?

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            1. I first read his books ‘Mystic Musings’ and ‘Encounter the enlightened’… I read both of those books a couple of times.. Then I read some other small publications and occasionally the magazine published by Isha..

              There are also lot of DVD series and each of them last for about an hour.. I bought a lot of such dvds during initial years. I was also a regular reader of the blogs in Isha.. Once his talks were on Youtube, I listened to many of them as well… I also attended two or three of his satsangs..

              I didn’t actually mean just listening to him alone even though I used the word ‘listening’, but all of the content in both written and spoken form, in books, DVDs, videos etc.

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                1. When I attended his satsangs, I was sitting very close to him, probably in the fourth or fifth row.. But I have never had a direct conversation with him, if that is what you are asking..

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                  1. “Quite an Article”!!! … Pretty much intrigued with “your Conversation with Surya” !!!

                    It would be grateful if you could share or provide Answers for my three Questions…!!!

                    Note : I am seeking for “DARKNESS” … quite fed up with too much LIGHT in my LIFE

                    1) How many Months or Years did you Practice “Witnessing Meditation”?

                    2)How many Months or Years did you Practice “Shambavi Mahamudra”?

                    3)Did you do “Samyama Program”?

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                    1. Thank you…

                      1) I had completely integrated witnessing in my day to day life.. so I was practicing it for about 12 years…

                      2)I practiced Shambavi probably for about two months.. I couldn’t continue because certain rules were completely inconvenient for me.. I was working in night shifts and staying as a bachelor. So, there were many practical difficulties

                      3) I have not done Samyama but I am aware of the contents of the program..

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  4. Thanks for this post.

    I’ve been a seeker for many years. I’m a bit unlucky for living in a part of the world where it’s a bit difficult to find a spiritual teacher to sit with. So that’s why I’ve had to settle with reading booksand blogs, watching youtube videos and doing meditation on my own.
    So in my situation someone like Sadhguru has grown to be an huge figure. I first found him through Youtube and got hooked on his videos and talks and soon I also started following the Isha Blog. I really don’t have anything negative to say about him or what he’s saying. Some of it has helped me a lot and made me more open to the possibilities of being a human. Also how all about him is deeply ingrained in Indian culture is very exotic to me.

    At the same time though I’ve also been following other spiritual teachers such as Adyashanti and Rupert Spira who are based in non-dualism. They have a more culturally neutral feel to their way of teaching. I feel that they also are way more willing to share actual ways to awaken yourself whereas Sadhguru always leaves me feeling like I need to attend an Isha meditation or yoga course to get the “whole package”. Nothing really wrong with that, I’ve no doubt that they could be really beneficial.
    That is actually how many Sadhguru videos and Blog posts leave me feeling – Like I’m unable to figure anything out by myself and I have to travel somewhere to get the true knowledge.

    That feeling actually lead me to your post.

    Reading it made me feel a huge inner relief for some reason. Like I’m saying goodbye to a person that has weighed me down – reliefed and a bit sad at the same time.

    Not to say that I believe Sadhguru is a fraud or even wrong at what he’s saying. Just that I don’t really have to believe and follow him and pay an energetic toll whenever I feel like I’m not doing good on my spiritual path.

    Most of my spiritual insights have actually come from other teachers, like the ones I mentioned earlier. Very similar stuff to the Osho witnessing you spoke of.

    I will probably continue to follow what Sadhguru has to say and I might even be interested in attending Inner Engineering or something similar if I get the chance. but I also have gained some trust in my own ability to navigate through my spiritual path.

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    1. Thanks for your comments. You sound very honest, sincere and clear.. 🙂 Just continue with the same attitude.. Nothing else is needed.. Your last line “I also have gained some trust in my own ability to navigate through my spiritual path.” is a good indication that you are on the right track.

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  5. Hi, A really nice article with so many details. Thank you for taking your time and writing extensively on this matter. I have observed similar trends with Sadhguru followers on Youtube and honestly wished if someone came up with an article like this. Thank you so much for doing this.

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  6. well that was something i have been too ,i too was a skeptic but slowly turned into believing what sadhguru says to be true.i still think that despite many of these things you wrote about none of them has been prooven it can be possible for this to be true or false as i dont know it. but i will not be following sadhguru as what he says to be true.
    There are many but and still one of them is now that citing one of the sayings of his as this is not the thing that is most needed to be done right now ,if list all of those things to be done this seems to me not the highest of all.

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  7. Dear Shanmugam- I am not sure how authentic Sadhguru is. However, I feel that he has tools for Sadhana. What is your opinion of BSP? Any Hypnosis techniques used to control people. Will BSP be helpful in a seeker’s journey?

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  8. No body can really check if he is enlightened or not to call him Fake or etc….At the same time many gurus & mystics just leave their bodies by announcing it like Ragavendra Swamy , may be if he left in the same way we can be very much proud that we lived with a real mystic or Guru ….

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  9. Hi Shanmugam,

    I peeked at your book “The Truth About Spiritual Enlightenment: Bridging Science, Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta” on Amazon. There have been a couple of times in my 27 years old life when I have been driven to pre-maturely end this life. The first time, I looked at all the things I could be grateful for, made excuses for the troubles and tried to find reasons for a better life. The second time, all my methods of the past decade fell away like ash, along with it my desire for any kind of worldly fulfillment. I have been trying to tread this path for the past 2 years in which I have visited a Buddhist monastery, read about Swami Vivekanada, Sadhguru, Vipassana, Divine Life Society, Dr. Brian Weiss etc. What I clearly understand is that I know nothing about myself and do not have any passion. All the things that I thought were a core part of me, fell away instantly the second time and they have not returned. I sincerely believe that blindly groping about with different psychological techniques, bhakti, enlightenment procedures will not help me. I feel like a “murkha” who needs a Guru. May be then I will be able to discover the true purpose of this birth. In my desperation to not create any more negative karma, I have been tempted to try out past life regression techniques, suggested consecrated places and take up a present day guru like Sadhguru. Right now, I am considering Sanyasa with Sri Sarada Math which seems the safest for a female. Would you please let me know your thoughts about this place and, also make your book’s paperback version available.
    Thank you!

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    1. Dear seeker,

      From what you are describing I can say that this is a good sign. Most of the time, I only come across people who seek spiritual progress motivated by just curiosity or a desire for self improvement. But you sound like you are genuinely seeking spiritual guidance.

      I would suggest joining a mutt or monastery as the last option and consider it only if you feel like a life of house-holder is impossible for you. But make sure you weigh all the pros and cons.

      I don’t know much about the safety of Saradha math. But just doing a simple Google search for any kind of controversy about this math did not come up with anything bad.

      I also suggest reading this page and the pages linked from this page completely: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/for-seekers-of-liberation/.

      Currently, Amazon kdp doesn’t provide paperback service in India. So, in Amazon.in, only my kindle book is available. It is possible to order my book directly from Amazon.com (instead of amazon.in) but it will be expensive because of the shipping cost.

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  10. You are right. Mutt option is not really an option. Often mutts turn out to be cults and the last thing I need is a traumatic prison-like experience. Though I am quite inspired by Swami Vivekananda, I am not at all convinced by the portrayal of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa and Sri Sarada Devi. A lot of good things have been done in their name by Swamiji but, I find them to be sketchy characters. I found a handful of remotely controversial stuff regarding the couple and this book ‘Stripping the Gurus’ by Geoffrey D. Falk (although a bit aggressive) does join the dots to explain some eccentricities.

    What is your opinion about Sanskrit mantra recitation? The effect of sounds and vibrations is proven but, do you think reciting specific mantras for protection/vairagya/mukti/shanti etc. really helps?

    I read your ideas about past life regression and hopefully I will be able to contribute once I reach a peaceful state. Do you think that the purpose of this life is to attain this peaceful state? What about karma then that you keep creating as long you have this physical body?

    I have been meditating and do feel vibrations in my chakras sometimes but, I feel my eagerness to get some answers (regarding the mystical experiences) ruins my progress. I have a long way to go. How long did it take you to reach this state from the time you started practicing witnessing? What do you mean by “I was doing all the right things for the past two months to reach this state” when you describe your experience at Sadhguru’s event?

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    1. “What is your opinion about Sanskrit mantra recitation? The effect of sounds and vibrations is proven but, do you think reciting specific mantras for protection/vairagya/mukti/shanti etc. really helps?”

      First of all, many people who recite mantras do not even pronounce it correctly. In the school I studied, our prayer was a set of sanskrit mantras including popular Shanti mantras from upanishads. Also, every week there is a bhajan for one hour in which we had to sing a lot of such songs and mantras. Recently, a few months before I started learning Sanskrit and I realized that most of the slokas that we were chanting were chanted incorrectly by most of us, because there was no written document that we could refer to to make corrections. But I am skeptical about the claim that mantras themselves have some kind of special energy or something that helps you directly in the spiritual path.

      But you can use this as tools and it certainly has some effects. It can be very well explained by a psychological concept called ‘classical conditioning’. I will give you a simple example for classical conditioning. Think about a period in the past when you were really happy. Choose a period that is at least 5 years before and listen to a song that you listened to regularly during those days. As soon as you listen to it, it may immediately trigger those memories and even remind you of certain wonderful experiences. This applies to objects of every sense perception, including touch, smell. sight etc. When you recite a mantra everyday with a good music or even listen to one while meditating, the mantra will get associated with any good experience that you go through while meditating. In the future, the mantra may automatically trigger certain stillness whenever you listen to it. This is probably the reason why some people claim that they find mantras helpful.

      You can also apply this effect to temples too. Regarding temples, it is certainly a fact that I sense a difference between being inside a temple and being outside a temple. This effects is strong in temples which has a pradakshina path. When it comes to temples, a theist has a very strong association with it. The decoration of the murthi, the lamps, the small of camphor, taste of tulsi, smell of flowers used for worship, devotional music or chants, smell of the holy ash etc has always been associated with peace and calmness in our minds. So, being inside it can certainly trigger feelings of peace and surrender. The effect is very strong. But it doesn’t matter whether the source is psychological or some kind of energy. The effect is the same.

      “Do you think that the purpose of this life is to attain this peaceful state? What about karma then that you keep creating as long you have this physical body?”

      Regarding the ‘purpose of life’, read this: http://qr.ae/TUTYZB. Also In general, I would suggest you not worry about anything that you heard only by verbal testimony, such as karma, past life etc. When it comes spiritual path, it is mainly about ending your suffering and ending the sense of separation. Once that happens, you won’t worry about all these things…

      “How long did it take you to reach this state from the time you started practicing witnessing? “

      After I started practicing ‘witnessing’, It took about 12 years. I had tried many things before doing school days but a true understanding about spiritual path was missing.

      “What do you mean by “I was doing all the right things for the past two months to reach this state” when you describe your experience at Sadhguru’s event?”

      During those two months, witnessing had become a 24 hour thing. Even in dreams, it was happening. :). My every step, every thought and every word that I uttered was done with absolute mindfulness.

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  11. Hi Shan,
    Thank you for your time and your words. I came to know about your blog through Phanindra’s. It is really helpful and I hope you continue inspiring seekers to be inquisitive. It seems we do have gurus like Sri Ramana Maharshi and Sri Nisargadutta Maharaj amidst us today. Recently, I found out about Sri Lakshmana Swamy and Mathru Sri Sarada. Guru-shisya relationship will only be formed when it is the right time for both. Have you ever had the opportunity to visit them or, know of anyone who has?

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    1. Yes, I am aware of them.. I have a book that has the life and teachings of both Sri Lakshmana Swamy and Mathru Sri Sarada… I haven’t visited them. They usually don’t meet seekers. To my knowledge, Sri Lakshmana Swamy gives public darshan once in a year. But you may be able to talk to them by waiting near the gate. A few people have met them that way. You can give it a try if you like.

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  12. Hi thanks for your post. If I can allow myself I woul like to comment on a few things:
    A. I personally think discrediting the effect of Sadhguru’s presence & Dhyanalinga’s effect on you is not totally right. Yes true most effort was made by you but I think the above was a support too.
    B. Reading your post, I am rethinking over ny decision of getting a linga Bhairavi yantra consecrated for home or business which would have cost me a couple of thousands of dollars. Maybe I am the lazy one not practicing enough witnessing during my daily life & so hoping that a yantra will push me forward but as Sadhguru himself said somewhere along these lines that the human body itself is a yantra. Would you however recommend any other smaller yantra? Like the Dhyanalinga one?
    C. Personally Sadhguru looks genuine to me but is also some sort of Robin Hood, taking from the well to do & redistributing to destitutes in some form or another.
    D. Isha Yoga Centre’s Dhyanalinga & Sadhguru’s satsang were very beneficial to me. I personally felt it during my visit there. However I feel that the sannyasins (mostly the female ones) are not very happy. They still seem to have repressions inside of them. The Osho people of OIMR seem much happier & a lot more open about Osho critics than Sadhguru followers seem to be. I guess dynamic meditation would help them a lot 🙂
    E. Sadhguru may not be able to be very open like Osho about subjects like sex mainly because of the conservative society he has to operate in. Osho at a point was no more interested to touch millions of people but only those who were genuinely interested.

    Would love to hear your opinions on the above

    Regards

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    1. Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your willingness to be open to criticism regarding Sadhguru.

      a) Actually, everything that happens in a person’s life contributes by giving a move, push or insight on the spiritual path. Regarding Isha, I don’t deny the psychological impact it made on me and the inspiration it gave towards my spiritual journey. I certainly admire the architecture in Isha, the kind of music they make through the Sounds of Isha and I do thank Sadhguru and Isha foundation for providing such a serene environment for meditation. My criticism is only towards whatever I have explained in this post.

      b) Yes, Human body itself is an yantra. An yantra is nothing but a map of a mandala which was used in Vajrayana Buddhism, Kashmir Shaivism and many other tantric sects. When you externalize it, it becomes a temple; when you internalize it, it becomes chakras. These chakras are actually aids, not actual entities. If you seem to be dependant on external aids, then you don’t have to buy such costly yantras. Go to a temple that has a pradakshina path with many surrounding deities. A temple is nothing but an externalized mandala and it certainly offers a lot of psychological aids when used in the right way. If you read my recent post here, you will get a better idea: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/a-shamatha-meditation-based-on-symbolism-visualization-mnemonics-and-classical-conditioning/

      c) This is not really much about whether Sadhguru is genuine or not; but this criticism has to do much about misleading nature of what he is saying in many of his speeches. It may or may not be intentional. I think you may be able to understand it better after reading this Quora answer of mine: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-after-surfing-through-Quora-my-faith-and-trust-in-Sadhguru-Jaggi-Vasudev-is-gradually-declining-Is-there-any-solution-to-this-uneasiness/answer/Shanmugam-P-12

      d)Yes.. there is much seriousness in Isha. Osho’s way was bringing meditation into one’s daily mundane activities without running away from life or devoting a lot of time in just sitting meditations. He encouraged dancing and celebrating. Such an air of celebration seems to be missing in Isha sometimes. There are lot of brahmacharis there who do not live in the society of a real world. It is not really that necessary and in fact will lead to repression in the modern times.

      e) Sadhguru has actually given a discourse series called ‘sexuality and divine’. Based on my exposure to Isha, I can say that he has tried the complete model which Osho has tried. You won’t find this style in Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, J.Krishnamurti or any other realized person. Yes it is true that Osho at later point of time actually worked in reducing the number of disciples he had. This is actually done by every guru, not just Osho. There are many instances where some people have to be gotten rid of, because they are not in a position to truly understand what is being communicated. It would be much of a nuisance to keep them near. Also, if a disciple moving away from a guru helps him in some way, guru may choose to do that too. But this is not the same as Sadhguru’s unwillingness to talk about certain topics. In fact, Sadhguru seems to be working on getting more and more people as admirers of Isha.

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  13. Thanks for your response. I don’t think I really need an external yantra in fact. From a very young age, I stopped a lot of dependence on supposedly external spiritual stuffs. And I do feel transformations happening, although very slowly sometimes, in my internal & external world through presence practice that I got mainly during a retreat with Eckhart Tolle and later enhanced by Osho & my visit at Isha. I admit being lazy many times but its not easy to switch off awareness once you know the taste of it..even if you want to Not be aware in certain cases 😊
    Thanks & Regards

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  14. I sort of paused when you said that an enlightened person still experiences a myriad of emotions but doesn’t get swept away by them. That’s dualistic thinking. I hear this a lot and quite honestly it can be confusing. You do get swept away. Thats the whole Idea that you’re one with whatever is going on in your mind. While in fact you sweep yourself away. You’d never feel anything genuinely if you don’t get swept away. Furthermore it contradicts the definition of enlightenment/nirvana as you yourself said the word mean to extinguish. Therefore the death of your mother should not phase you according to that definition. People even say stuff like, I sleep with women but I have no attachments. That’s not true. The attachment it’self made you sleep with them. So for the most part as you can see people just repeat what other people said. It’s the ego snake in the grass talking… Really.

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  15. Your entire blog speaks my thoughts … I have been following Sadhguru since 2014 and have been to his ashram too … You talked about placebo effect and about his degree in English i too think that many will be expert in many different things but can’t explain about their work due to lack of language knowledge take APJ he’s a scientist but he’s poor in English this dsnt mean he knows ntg abt science it’s jus that his focus was never on language or he didn’t personally devoted time nd energy for English but here Sadhguru being a degree holder in English literature he has a great hold over the language nd it’s vacoblary … and yes we in reality don’t at all know if he is enlightened or not only god knows he knows that but yes I can’t even say that for sure that he is not enlightened … Seeing so many of his vdos blogs reading his books nd comparing l that with my spiritual knowledge nd progress it seems he is enlightened but again i say we can’t really say this with surety only he nd god knows …. Lastly u r right it’s better not to follow his vdos nd books …. Do ur own study yes true the biggest trouble in the path of spirituality is ro distinguish myth from reality it needs tremendous dedication … When we are on spiritual path we need not give up on comfort zone it automatically goes away …. I agree with each and everything u wrote in this blog … !!

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  16. In what way does your experience differ from this?

    https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/wisdom/article/samadhi-to-go-beyond-existence

    On the point of oneness, I don’t see any disagreement between any of you…

    The Higgs Boson, ok, can be totally skipped. Lots of people come and get attracted to all the things that are basically the distractions around the most important thing. I was also this type that expected a guru’s every word to be absolutely perfect, only to realize that to expect a human body to be unlimited was the mistake I was making and I was missing the most important thing with all this noise and baggage. I was still identified with the body.

    Sadhguru’s videos on random stuff like Sterlite or particle physics – that’s actually the least important thing about it. Of course, many followers will miss that part, but it’s ok. More poisonous than simple faith are the demons of doubt. I really don’t see even why you bother about his commenting on Sterlite so much. Followers will always come whichever way and build fortresses of concepts around the real thing – they did it for Krishna, Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda, etc..etc..etc.. Revelation –> Revolution –> Religion –> Racket. None of the internet trolls are realized — they’re just fanboys.

    The thing is, once some disciples asked Lahiri Mahasaya that whether his body would ever stop feeling sexual urges. His answer was that his (own) body will stop doing what it does only on the day it is placed on the funeral pyre. This caused some others to get disturbed and think that Lahiri Mahasaya was not really enlightened … because their concepts of what they thought enlightenment is had no roots in reality.

    The very first lesson in inner engineering that was taught to me is basically witnessing everything that you’re responding to consciously. This alone made such an impact I have no doubt that this one thing could do the job if taken to its ultimate conclusion.

    In my own experience, I have meditated before Dhyanalinga – it feels like an absolutely steady presence in the silence. I reached a point where I just was, if I had to go further, I would have to ‘surrender’ (which I recognize as dropping the act). A very soothing and intense feeling has been in the meditation room of my house for years now, which only now I realize was because there was a Dhyanalinga yantra there for over a decade.

    Again all this is in one way a big joke too – my friend who I know for years and who has been enlightened finds every piece of the earth as a spiritual unfolding (he has guided me for a while now, got me out of my baggage), but then he is fully out of all stories – the universe is a story for him. Nevertheless this is not something for intellectual understanding. I am still ‘in a story’ so right now I can’t go beyond what I experience. Consecrated places or holy places are a very real joke, but still a joke nevertheless, very useful when you’re in the story, but still part of the story. A humorous thing when you’re out of the story. Even the whole idea of ‘getting enlightened’ is a story.

    Sadhguru himself admitted that if it was just enlightenment, then it is very simple and doesn’t need this. Many of the things he does serve several other needs.

    Now Sadhguru has a lot of stories to say about Adiyogi, Krishna and others, but tell you what – you don’t need to know any of the stories for enlightenment or for the yogic processes to work. Such things down the line only breed doubts for the mind to feed and distract you from the reality of the actual experience. Knowing, believing or not believing these stories has no impact experientially. But I will tell you that if you get caught up in this, you’ll breed doubts and disillusionment and these totally distract from what’s actually happening. These doubts are demons, they send the ego on a path of needless complexity. So I only see this like a child sees a story, not something I believe in, certainly not something I experience.

    And this is where I have to disagree with you in the matter of generating skepticism – skepticism is good, but if the demons of stories and blind following are distracting, ultimately the demons of doubt are paralyzing and they complicate what is fundamentally the simplest thing. Many simple people who give themselves wholly to a process can easily be enlightened, but the intellect can become its own undoing.

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    1. You are putting everything beautifully. The only thing is, you are missing where the focus is…. Sadhguru is just an excuse… Who is Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev anyway? Is it a name and form that arises and passes away or is it the formless and boundless essence that is always there, that which can neither grow nor diminish, that which is neither born and not dies and that which is the only truth there is?

      The focus here is not Sadhguru really.. My intention of writing all these posts is to help people see through their unconscious behavior. And I know that it is actually working. If you read this you may understand: http://qr.ae/TUpzl1

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      1. Internet anonymity is a drug that makes alcohol looks sober.

        Anyway, I will see if I can find my friend’s writing on what guru really is – but the gist is this. When we are no longer in the way, there is only transparency and that means everything is ultimately a guru to everything else. Those who criticize a transparent one are just criticizing the ultimate. Ok, words only carry that so far. So yes, guru is ultimately the great ‘self’. Now followers build and maintain all sorts of concepts of the guru based on what their intellect and emotion knows and until all that is bypassed, you’re not going to see what’s on the other side. The true guru is only seen by the dreamers at the end of their dream, otherwise he goes unnoticed.

        I’m stretching to as far as I have experienced – that feeling you get that sometimes you’re not talking to just a man is unmistakable. If I say more, I’ll be speculating.

        Anyway, my job isn’t here to convince and argue, since there is actually no one there to argue with at your end, except that which is everything and beyond everything. Now the very first 2 meditation techniques of Inner Engineering itself can make you aware of how many things we do compulsively and the solution to that is refining one’s awareness – just this one thing can actually take one to the end. But instead of that, if I create skepticism, I will only create an intellectual and emotional mess in people which could spoil the simplicity of the process for them.

        Most people are emotional – for them faith and love are usually the ways to go. That can’t be stamped out. In one way that also makes things very simple for them, since they do not have the intellectual baggage to carry. You go tell them they are compulsively following, they’ll just get angry.

        In my life experience, certain events have conspired to bring me back to Sadhguru and yoga after many years (I still cannot forget what happened when I first did the Shambhavi with him, and for all the intellectual skepticism, the intellect has never been able to offer me any experience except poisoning my mind with doubts and fears). My enlightened friend is my main guru of course – the meditation he taught me is always there. One thing I’ve learnt is to pay attention to what’s happening experientially to you, many things are no coincidence and the ultimate is right here to the one who can see.

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        1. You may find this comment interesting and useful… Just today I uploaded a video to Youtube in which I recite the second chapter of Bhagavad Gita and it is a wonderful coincidence that I am able to use it for my response to two people including you. 🙂 . Here is the video: https://youtu.be/9DdscqOX2HY

          Regarding Mahabharata, some people see it as an allegory and some people see it as history… Whether it is history or not doesn’t matter. But it is certainly an useful allegory in this situation… I will explain.

          When you are talking about Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, you are actually talking about an image that you have in your mind. I, Shanmugam, as a person is also an image created in your mind. All the unconscious behaviours also exist in the mind. When I use the word ‘mind’, I am talking about what we call as ‘manas’ in Sanskrit, which is not a direct translation of mind. Because manas only refers to a bundle of concepts, images and the attachments and aversions you have towards them. The goal of spiritual path is to kill this mind, which is usually known as manonasha. The field of your body and mind through which you experience the world is Kurukshetra where this war takes place. Krishna, the absolute inside you is actually driving the chariot which is your body.

          In Mahabharata, Bhishma and Drona both are seen as enlightened people. They were also the Gurus of Arjuna. But they are in the side of Kauravas (the troop of manas). Arjuna is completely hurt when he realizes that he may also end up killing Drona and Bhishma. (You also have to overcome the attachment you have with your guru at some point, which is allegorically expressed as killing your Guru).

          Arjuna says in the second chapter:

          कथं भीष्ममहं सङ्ख्ये द्रोणं च मधुसूदन ।
          इषुभिः प्रतियोत्स्यामि पूजार्हावरिसूदन ॥ २-४॥

          “Madhusudana, How can I fight against Drona and Bhishma, the people who deserved to be worshipped, in the war with my arrows?”

          गुरूनहत्वा हि महानुभावान् श्रेयो भोक्तुं भैक्ष्यमपीह लोके ।
          हत्वार्थकामांस्तु गुरूनिहैव भुञ्जीय भोगान् रुधिरप्रदिग्धान् ॥ २-५॥

          Here he says that he thinks it is better to beg and eat rather than killing his Gurus. He conveys that he doesn’t want to enjoy any kind of pleasure by killing his own gurus.

          Arjuna’s lamentation and refusal to wage war is described in five slokas. Arjuna seems to be uttering wise words here. You can say that he even sounds enlightened. The very first thing that Krishna says is the following:

          अशोच्यानन्वशोचस्त्वं प्रज्ञावादांश्च भाषसे ।
          गतासूनगतासूंश्च नानुशोचन्ति पण्डिताः ॥ २-११॥

          “You are talking like an enlightened man. But at the same time you are also worrying about people who do not need to be mourned. (Because Bhishma and Drona are enlightened. You are only killing an appearance. You cannot kill what really IS.) Enlightened people do not worry about things which arise and pass away. (The word used here is ‘asu’ which means life. But it is meant here to point out the things which comes and goes, the things which are impermanent or maya).

          A criticism on a realized person seems to be killing his image. But in reality, it is not going to affect him even a bit. Because, he is not that image.

          Read the following links. You will get a totally different impression about what I am trying to do in my blog:
          http://qr.ae/TUp62t
          http://qr.ae/TUp62h

          Regarding the programs offered in Isha, I don’t have anything to say against them. I know they work.

          Regarding intellect and skepticism, I think both of us are using the words in different sense or understanding. There seems to be a misunderstanding when it comes to ‘intellect’, especially among the followers of Sadhguru. You may remember a story narrated by him in which karma yogi, jnana yogi, kriya yogi and bhakthi yogi are in one place and suddenly Shiva appears before them. I like that story very much. He explained that only if all four are together, you attain the vision of the absolute. If Jnana yogi gets killed, it is not possible. Here is a long post that I wrote regarding Anekantavada, a Jain doctrine. Go through it fully when you have time: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2018/06/13/logic-and-spiritual-enlightenment-an-overview-of-anekantavada-saptabhangivada-seven-valued-logic-and-syadvada-of-jainism/

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          1. Your pronunciation is excellent. Actually the explanation of the Gita in this manner was first made by Paramahamsa Yogananda – his Gita commentary was his last work, which was unfortunately never published as he passed away within days of completing the work.

            He had a proper description of what each character in the Gita represents. Some excerpts are here.

            http://yogananda.com.au/gita/gita0100.html#i

            Later on two sets of disciples published it as “God Talks with Arjuna” and “The Essence of the Bhagavad Gita”.

            Earlier I have read the Gita only as a philosophical book. I am now aware that in reading any scripture, there is an experiential dimension that can reveal itself to the right person.

            Anyway, I found my friend’s short note on the guru — “….We all come in contact with religion and spirituality via others. However the question what was earlier ‘the chicken or the egg?’ is a ridiculous one. The obvious answer is that chickens come from eggs and eggs come from chicken. To separate cause and effect is irrelevant to real understanding. The effect always points to a cause and the cause is known by its effect. A cause without an effect simply can’t be perceived. The simplest understanding of truth is when subject and object are identical however; they must be different in order to be perceived. Perception is completely dependent on the object; when there is no object there is nothing to be perceived.

            Why such abstract philosophical talk? Because when you understand the above, you understand the guru principle. God and the knower of God exist simultaneously. There is no separate embodiment that doesn’t know God to be Himself. In a dream we may confuse a shadow for a monster but awake it’s a joke. Our inherent identity is pure and untouched by any confusion or contradiction. That means that anybody who is transparent to what is pure, untouched, and original, is a guru.

            The doctrine guru is a ‘guru’ of a dream and he has not the slightest spiritual value. Such a pseudo guru only manifests because of his followers’ perception. Followers create and maintain the dream of the doctrine guru. The real transparent guru can only be recognized by somebody who is transparent himself. A doctrine disciple attracts a doctrine guru. A transparent disciple attracts a transparent guru in which the traditional role of leading and following has been dissolved. Who is guru and who is disciple in the transparency of being? Only God and God alone is the leading principle.

            The guru trauma is the widespread dream of the collective following of a doctrine under the banner of faith and unalloyed surrender. It is the absolute epitome of the blind following the blind. It is a dream within a dream that makes the grip of illusion even tighter and the separation with the pure Source greater. The true guru is the living principle of realized transparency and that is the inherited pure reality of all beings. The true guru vibrates pure spiritual reality and his teaching is his very being and his vibration acts as a virus that resonates with the deepest core of all beings.

            Most people are so entranced with the dream of doctrine that they don’t dare to think outside of its box. They loyally chew what is chewed before them confining themselves in the familiar safety of the collective dream. From them you only hear what is heard for millennia of cultural refinement. They miss out on the excitement of the real spiritual revolution of the flow of divine unfolding. They can’t see God and their doctrine will confirm that God is invisible and is only a feasible reality somewhere in the future.

            The true guru is transparent and knows that the chicken and the egg is a simultaneous reality without separation. The true guru seems to act as an ordinary person but he comes from the authentic spiritual experience of his pure being. He awakens others by his very presence but only when they are at the end of their dream. Otherwise he goes unnoticed by the dreamers…”

            He’s no philosopher though. He stopped writing after giving a few pointers as to the nature of his enlightenment and that’s that.

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            1. Last one, this is what my enlightened friend gave me – a pointer to his experience : “….“I” as in the awareness of “I am,” is not an idea, concept or belief. It is the direct experience of consciousness that is conscious of itself. It is pure consciousness because it doesn’t attach itself to anything except itself. Even this awareness is transcended when we continue our journey. Pure consciousness is embraced by Supreme Consciousness. Of course we can declare that this consciousness is ‘I am’ as well since “I am’ cannot go deeper than observing itself. To notice the Supreme Observer “I am” has to transcend itself and surrender giving up its own observing. That’s a big leap for many of us. It is like dying where “I” is given up as an offering in the fire of Supreme Consciousness. It’s giving up being the doer and the transition of being the witness of what is ‘done’ in the flow of divine unfolding. Many of us want to cling on to a mantra, at least, in order to have a straw of familiarity in our hands. Really giving up the ‘vehicle’ and going further by foot is not for everyone. It is leaving everything behind that is familiar and stepping into the unknown territory of anticipation with the unpredictable unfolding. This is super adventurous and by every twist and turn there is a fresh new world to be experienced. Who is observing this? “I am?” If “I am” is transcended there is only the Divine Observer using “I am” as an expression of Itself. When “I am” is completely transparent the Divine shines through in all aspects. Again who observes this? Don’t answer that. Just experience it….”

              Everyone says the same thing. hatha yoga, kriya yoga, karma yoga, jnana, awareness, bhakti, self enquiry – they are all vehicles to get the ‘clothes’ to align and become transparent.

              Ok, I am done.

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                1. Let me see. In the past I’ve tried to introduce a lot of people to him – but they talk to him online, look at his Facebook, try to discuss what they know of spirituality with him, don’t notice anything other than an ordinary man and don’t stay with him for long, after some time they simply leave – those who go to analyze him never get hold of anything or get totally confused. So I completely stopped doing that.

                  These writings are old and are no longer on any media, I preserved it. Maybe I crossed a line thinking I can share this in public.

                  How I stumbled upon him itself is a mystery and I would never do that (or be able to do that) logically. I have been with him for a long time, first as a friend and then I noticed there was much more to him. It is more like I was meant to be found. I can link to his Facebook, but I cannot introduce him to anyone at all — the guru aspect is a very subjective and personal experience. It will happen to you if it has to and you need it.

                  But Ok, just this once. https://www.facebook.com/hvanlatenstein

                  It was great to read your blog. My job here is done.

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  17. Hi Shanmugam,

    First off, congratulations on your awakening! We should all be so lucky to be able to achieve a higher level of consciousness before we die. I discovered Sadhguru about half a year ago through his YouTube videos, and his approach towards spirituality resonated with me enough to where I felt compelled to sit through his online Inner Engineering courses and attended his Completion program at the Long Beach Convention Center back in May. I probably have quite a long ways to go before I’ll be pure enough in body and spirit to experience my own awakening, if ever…LOL.

    From scanning through your posts, I can appreciate your intellectual and logical criticisms of Sadhguru and some of his followers. It sounds like your biggest qualm is that your own awakening experience didn’t line up with your understanding of his version of enlightenment.

    From my limited understanding of his teachings, this awakening experience he is selling through the use of his modified Shambhavi practice is merely one level of “enlightenment.” It’s supposed to significantly ease your mental suffering as you go through life so that you’ll have a chance to experience a more blissful existence of complete and utter “freedom” as you so nicely described. But Sadhguru has always maintained there are higher levels of enlightenment for those who are willing to travel a more arduous path to obtain deeper answers that you seem to be seeking. So the answers are there, but maybe you just haven’t gotten there yet.

    Also from my limited understanding of Sadhguru’s teachings, I’ve grown to accept that each person’s spiritual journey is their own unique experience, which is highly subjective to their karmic make-up. So it’s pointless to go around comparing your experience of enlightenment with other awakened individuals. There is no perfect process, no right or wrong way to experience the process; it’s just a deeply personal experience that doesn’t need to be intellectualized to be appreciated. If you can let go of your preoccupation with seeking perfect answers from imperfect beings (yes, Sadhguru included), I think you’ll be much more at ease with this inner conflict.

    My humble advice for you is to stop listening to and caring about what everyone else is doing with their spirituality, and just focus on your own inward journey. Let everyone else hear what they want/need to hear from Sadhguru, Osho and all the other gurus. Just be thankful that your intelligence, your period of devotion to Sadhguru, and your spiritual perseverance all led you to where you are today: You get to live an existence that so many others (like me) can only dream of experiencing!

    Namaskaram

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  18. Dear Shanmugam..my friend has suggested to read this blog post..i have read it and i see that you do not have a problem with sadhgurus enlightenment but you think he is being an impediment for others to get enlightened because you think his methods and approach are taking them farther from enlightenment rather than closer..
    But i find ur claims false..because i too like you (though not with the same intensity and degree) have read and heard a lot of spiritual stuff starting from my intermediate days..i started with swamy vivekananda and went on to read online on a range of spiritual masters like rama krishna param hamsa..yoganada..ramana maharshi..adi sankara.buddha..zen teachings..some sufi stories about enlightenment…kanchi paramacharya chandra sekharendra saraswati…swami nityananda…rupert spira…ecchrt tolle…osho..jiddu krishnamurti and sadhguru…i very much relate to what you write and agree with most of it..but i wanted to say a few things..the witness practice that you attribute to osho is actually an age old technique mentioned by many sages and also mentioned in many scripures…though i have personally not read any scripture..i am saying this confidantly because i listen to the discourses of sri chaganti koteswar rao where he cites quite a few examples of being sakshi or witnessing from the scriptures .while you find fault with sadhguru that he picks up from what osho says..i was surprised you did not find fault with osho..because do you believe osho talked what all he talked just by magic without reading from nowhere?..probably you do not know from where he picked how many lines because you may not have read the ppl who he might have read .. ..i wonder if you have pondered why osho did not give any proofs to the claims that he made.. like once he says.. right now ,buddha who made a prediction that he wud be back after 2500 years as maitreya is now residing in him..later he says that buddha got angry because osho is not listening to him..i wonder why he was not able to see what maa anand sheela was upto with all his claims that he cud see others aura their past etc etc..did you ever see how ppl used to go hysterical in some of his videos
    ..do you consider them as placebo effects too?. ..did you see his video leaks where he conducts naked sessions..?did you ever think why were all these necessary ? because for enlightenment all one needed was a psychological death..and i wonder whether your enlightenment experience matches with that of osho..because i read him say that he experienced light worth a thousand suns during his enlightenment experience .. i can go on saying things like these because i read a lot of osho..i know the names of tens of enlightened masters all of who i have picked from the teachings of osho..and i know that you know too that osho makes up lot of stories..i used to spend a lot of time trying to find references to what osho says but to no avail..osho was so contradicting in wht he says that there is also a video whre a disciple asks why is he so contradictive and osho replies it is a sign of progress ..and you know the cult he created,an idea which i see that you clearly despize.. .what surpizes me and makes me skeptical about ur post is that you were not bothered about all these things about osho but got enlightened by just doing what he said about witnessing…as a practitioner of that method myself ..i can say and you must know that sadhguru too very firmly talks about this witnessing though he uses the term awarness..he says pretty much same thing what the scriptures said what sankara said..what maharshi mahesh yogi said. What rishi prabakar said ..what osho said. What jiddu said. What ramana maharshi said..why are you finding faults with sadhguru when you had no issues with others?..lets us assume that his method and approach is stopping ppl from getting enlightened. ..so your method which is nothing but criticizing others methods which you think are not correct is actually helping ppl to get enlightened? ..you have only succeeded in proving ppl as blind and foolish and also published their replys to prove ur point..how is this going to make those blind and foolish ppl experience real spirituality? Does ur method change them?..i feel your method towards enlightenment is gnyana yoga..the way through the mind..you feel the only way to enlightenment is the way through the mind because i think that you think mind is the first thing to analyse as it is through the prism of the mind that perception of everything happens including the mind itself…… you are concerned how can ppl be so unconscious of what of what is happening in their own minds..how they are constantly fooling themselves…i say all this because i can see that you have gone to some deepest layers of the mind …i also see that you speak in very similar terms with sam harris ..when you say can all gurus give a scientific proof to all the miracles they talk about?..sam harris ,a spiritual atheist..mentions a similar statement..he says that he studied many yogis in his past 20 yeras ..while he accepts that they experienced deep meditative states he says they have absolutely no idea about how the brain works..about the neural netwoks about even simple things..so he says that enlightened ppl who claim they can do anything or any miracle are making false statements..he too like you has gone through a deep experience first time when he was on psychedelics and later achived same state through meditation..i find his version of describing liberation from the separate self quite similar to what you have gone through ..and i wud say he too is a gyana yogi …but i heard sadhguru say that gyana yoga is just one way to get der..there are other ways like bhakthi yoga..kriya yoga etc and the followers of each path do not accept the process of other paths.. i simply see that is wat is happening here..if you did not feel energy..you did not feel energy..try to find out why..becuse the scriptures talk about it ..dont just assume you cant be not receptive.. gotta try until you get hit..

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    1. You have come to many conclusions too quickly and you didn’t get my point.. Kindly go through the following posts and your conclusions will change:

      1. http://qr.ae/TU1Bef

      (Let me quote a part of that answer here:

      “Something that is often overlooked is this, even though I have stressed it in many occasions:

      Osho has said that he has read thousands of books. Osho has quoted from thousands of people starting from Buddha to Bertrand Russell. He has named them all. Nothing wrong in quoting other people and nobody can talk about various topics without first gaining knowledge on them by reading or listening (besides getting enlightened). In fact, there is a whole series of Osho’s talks which is about the books he loved. The book is titled ‘The Books I have Loved’. Osho was a very avid reader. He read thousands of books throughout his life.

      On the other hand, Sadhguru has stated that he has not read any books on spirituality at all. According to him, whatever he knows comes from a mystical transmission that occurred between his guru and him during his previous birth. Once his guru during his previous birth touched him with his walking stick, he knew everything: including the stories from Chandogya Upanishad, Bhagwad Gita, Shiva Purana etc. And he mysteriously gained knowledge about masters like Gurdjieff, Rumi, J.Krishnamurti and so on. But surprisingly, this content is verbatim from Osho’s books.”)

      2. I do have a detailed outline of the spiritual path written as a guide to the seekers:
      https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/for-seekers-of-liberation/

      3. Have some Youtube videos too. Here are some of the important ones :
      a)

      b)

      4) I have very strong reasons to why I point out the blind behavior of many people who follow Sadhguru:

      People come to quick conclusions regarding everything. You yourself might see that your conclusions are wrong after going through the links I have given and also going through much of my blog posts. Because I have addressed the questions you have raised several times in various posts and videos…

      Take your time… You will see what I mean.. Also, go through the comments for this post.

      If you still don’t get it after going through all, then wait until you realize your true nature.. You will understand 🙂

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  19. Dear shanmuga..i have went through one of the videos that you have suggested above..after watching it i hope you dint consider me as typical isha follower (i am an isha follower btw)…first of all i agree with what you say about the reactions of isha ppl on internet..but hope you know that to have this kind of behaviour you dont have to be an isha follower..any person who is identified with something and has invested a lot of emotion to that entity would behave in the same way..even a Manchester united fan behaves in the same way.. internet is a very good tool to analyse ppls minds..i have not watched your videos before and this post was the only thing i read ..but i felt good that i was correct in guessing you might be a gyana yogi..or ur path is gyana yoga ..i hope you do not consider what ever i am writing as adhominum because though i am a isha follower i never felt unpleasant for whatever you said because most of it is true..but i wanted to say a few things..sadhguru only said he has never read any scriptures..but he said and i read in that arudhati subramanian book that he spent an entire year in library just reading books day and night after his formal education..no doubt he was influenced by osho and even borrowed his meditation techniques from others like rishi prabahakar..but sadhguru mentions in that same book that he wnet to various yoga classes to see what they are offering and just made minor adjustments to them adding the missing ingredients..from what you must have seen from sadhguru you must know that he very cleverly avoids controversial things which he thinks will have unwanted consequences. He answers it but not in the way you expect ..i dont know where but i read him saying that osho was very bold in his approach but it failed, We are going to take different approach.. … ..he is a person who does what he thinks works on the current situation..

    I dont agree with you on another thing…that you say sadhguru is not enlightened and not authentic..because if you apply the same reasons to osho then osho too is not authentic and enlightened

    Osho satifies all your observations on sadguru

    He lies
    He talks pseudo science
    Created a cult
    His followers too just parotted his words and were abusive (you can see the videos)

    So on one hand you connected to osho but criticize sadguru for other reasons

    Please dont consider this adhominum..i am only trying to understand

    I very genuinely think that sadhguru is enlightened inspite of agreeing with most of what you said..

    And im interested to see more of your videos mentioning about your observations on the nature of the mind..

    I also had these Questions

    You sounded like you dont believe in all this energy business..but do support sankara when he performed a consecration process in ujjain where he thought the energy from the main deity was very powerful and he had to ease it and put the extra enegy in ammas nose ring..do you support how he established sringeri where he experienced tremendous energy and found that it was that of vrishya sringa maharshi?

    So do you accept only the gnyana yogi sankara or even the kriya yogi and karma yogi sankara?

    Thanks

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    1. 1) As Sadhguru himself says, Jnana yoga, karma yoga, kriya yoga and bhakthi yoga are not four different paths… So, much of your reply is in the false assumption that jnana yoga is something that many people do not need, while my emphasis on the video is to not to kill jnana yogi. Each person has all these four.

      2) This is not really about Osho vs Sadhguru. Anyway, I have already explained in many of my posts that Osho did say many times that he was not infallible and he can be factually wrong. He also went ahead and said that most of what he talks was nonsense… Still, the overall message of Osho was the essence of the spiritual path.

      I already told you to take your time to read many of my posts.. Take your time and go through all the comments too. Also go through all the links in this page: http://bit.ly/ishacult

      There is no hurry in reading them. Read them when you are free and feel ok to spare a few minutes. It may take a month or two to go through all of them. You will totally get a different picture after reading everything.

      I thought of replying to this comment by using a video. But I think it may not be necessary. Don’t be hurry in making conclusions; just go through the links and all my videos… You will eventually understand

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  20. u don’t accept him as a guru and it is fine ….and by your writings i feel that u haven’t find your guru in this life yet…if you would have found your true guru you wouldn’t care if sadhguru is misleading others or not…and it takes a lot to reach where he is right now…(only expressing my opinion)

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      1. (Please read my comment till end)

        Well I just wish to say one thing: You have read too much from everywhere, and now it has become a bad soup. Sri Ramakrishna used to say that in order to attain the Truth, you have to forget all that you have learned till now.

        The way you are writing itself shows how much thought-activity is in your mind. For receptivity, one has to uncloud his thought and just sit still, as if he doesn’t exist. And the something truly great explodes!

        You drop all this mind-boggling terminology, who-said-what, etc. From one having stability of mind, neither any disturbance arises, nor can he be ever disturbed; for his stillness is so Absolute…and the definite borders of his being fades and mixes with the Truth that already Is, and feels Himself Oceanic!

        Had you been so much complete and whatever have you written, you wouldn’t have probably not written all of this, for then you would seen it to be a sheer waste of time when you can otherwise be just fantastic just by sitting alone.

        Regarding Vijiji’s Mahasamadhi…I went to Isha Yoga Center…I was in a hurry so I randomly took an auto and and he dropped near the Samadhi. I didnt know what the place is all about…and why there is so much of greenery and water sprinklers…I just went in without having a clue where I’m….And as I reached, my mind suddenly became blank, I felt like Air and literally myself spreading and merging with everything around!…SO joyful I became that I started dancing!…people started looking at me and after sometime the Bliss subsided. And that was the power of Vijii’s Mahasamadhi!!

        Without having the necessary receptivity please do not misguide people. I solemnly request you with my hands folded.
        Chitransh

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        1. First, I think all these Isha followers should stop making assumptions about other people and stop trying to act like gurus. These words do not translate how I experience life; just because there are too many words here, that doesn’t mean I am lost in words and information. But almost 95% of blind Isha followers cherry pick such spiritual statements and mindlessly repeat them as parrots… I have found my liberation and I am just sharing my experiences and guidelines in my blog. The truth I have found is the authority for me.

          Stop shaming your own guru. First, find your own liberation. Until you realize your own nature and find your own ultimate bliss, you have no business to act like a guru and try to teach other people. So, throw away your spiritual ego and mind your own business.

          The funny thing is, I wrote this article many months before. I would have completely forgotten about it. But at least once in a week, some blind Sadhguru follower comes and comments here and reminds me about it. As soon as I witness their blind behavior of mindlessly parroting Sadhguru’s words without understanding the context, I become concerned. Because this is dangerous for the society.

          If you have patience, go through all the videos in this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvcEPSjKqOk8Evwhz5tSlm5whxfZswlQ

          If you really think that Sadhguru is very helpful towards your spiritual growth, then focus on what you have to do to attain your own liberation. That will be the justice you do to your own guru. I do what I do and write what I write for certain reasons.. People who are still seeking can never fully understand my intentions and actions.

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  21. I just came back reading the story of Sadhguru Sri Brahma. He was a very powerful yogi, but while the power of knowing is one thing, the power of ignorance and emotion should not be understimated – and that was one reason why he couldn’t fulfill his goal in that life.

    Also on a side note, did you read Eckhart Tolle?

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  22. One of the most important traits of enlightened masters were they were never respected or regarded by the masses or contemporaries or politicians. There are have been several enlightened mystics but very few masters. There is a sea of difference between both. You can understand the distinction from Buddhist sources (Arhatas vs Bodistavas). Though, Osho spoke about historical traditions, masters, books (Upanishads, etc) and sages, if you see the meditations he devised like Dynamic, his version of Kundalini, nadha bhrama, mystic rose, Gorishankar etc were his unique meditations which he developed for modern man based on current state of men coupled with oshos understating of knack of truth. Most of his meditations are compounded forms which include active and passive stages. They dont have any backing from any traditional systems. But however, he is used patterns of patterns to devise the same. What i have see is most of us Indians only read his books and have never tried or practiced the same. They are very useful for modern man and his doubting mind. The other new age gurus have only repackaged yogic breathing and exercises with new names. In that way Osho was unique when you compare with the Gurus. I my view listing to his discourses are a great form of mediation and his voice and the gaps will take you to depths which can also come through other process. Once you are in tune with Osho, its very difficult to go any where as he is like eating in ones home vs eating in a fives star hotel. You can go for a change to Taj, Marriot etc but if you have eaten there for say 2-3 meals, you will miss your home food and will long for that.

    Mystics are not very helpful for your transformation but masters are……. Masters are never respected as they dont carve for respect and keep out of political company. They dont give u solace, and tell u that u can win, have energy, power etc…

    It is for each one to understand who a master is and who is not……

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  23. Shanmugam – One of the points which we need to understand is in a spiritual process you need to dig deep in one place. This process is not for the logical reasoning human being. The process of spiritual progress needs two things 1. courage and 2. commitment. So if ones energies fit with Sadguru or Nithyanada or any master one needs to work irrespective of the world thinks of his master, whether it is a cult or group or brain washing etc. If you read the Mahamudra sutras of Tilopa, his master would have asked him to be a caretaker of a prostitute and he would have done the same without questioning. Now how do you think pimping and spirituality have connection. Logical reasoning and spirituality have no connection and if you have gone to master because he satisfies your intellect then you are no sooner going to leave. So master cant be chosen with logic. You need to check if some thing is stired by the presence of the master and can you be in tune with him. Else its better to go and find another master. Logic is a small part of the mind. There are other parts which need to be burnt and if we cant even drop logic whats the quality of search then….
    Death is the real master- lets think of our lives which we lived for the past …. years. Is it tangible and can you hold it or was it a like dream on a screen. Whats the proof the renaming part of our life is going to be substantial. You can enter the path of spirituality only if you are aware of ones own mortality. Then intensity is created to work out ones own soul and salvation. Other wise spirituality is like lions club or madras club. Its only an association of like minded people who mentally masturbate.

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  24. Dear Shanmugam,

    With all due respect, my feel is that many points you are raising is valid indeed. But if you are enlightened as you believes, you shouldn’t be focusing on Sadguru or anyone else for that matter, kianda picking a fight and spoil your inner journey (you can have all kind of justifications, but still..). If you truly believe and compelled to make corrections, you can just state what you think is right, for that you don’t need to bring someone else into a controversy. (The letter from Rajivji can be a guide for you.)

    Good to know that you have attained certain stage, with or without help of someone. Please do intensely focus on your path and show the world what is the best someone can achieve in this life.

    You can’t blame if someone suspect that, you are kind of trying to attract followers through short cut. ie, by attacking a popular figure in retention you are not, then prove he is wrong and you are right!

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  25. This jaggi vasudev is a false guru. He is speaking all nonsense. Sat guru means one should speak about the science of spirit soul and GOD. In the name of sat guru he is propogating atheism which is very dangerous to the society. If the whole population becomes atheist there will be no morality and order in the society. He is just speaking on the material platform. Bagavadgita is the standard spiritual book for all humanity. He says there is no need to follow the instructions of bagavadgita. He says that one should live a life of Lord.Krishna. this is rascaldom if yhe wants to live a life of Krishna then let him perform super human acts of Krishna. Lord Krishna lifted the govardan hill when he was 7 years with his left little finger. Krishna devoured the forest fire. Lord Krishna displayed uncommon unlimited powers. Krishna never took birth like an ordinary human being and he never got old and died. What authority he has to touch the holy scriptures and give his comments?

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  26. Mr.shanmugam you are misleading the people towards false philosophy. Philosophy without science is is centiment and science without philosophy is mental speculation. You say there is no GOD that’s all right, how can you deny the existence of a supreme controller?. For a state president or prime minister is supreme. among the courts supreme court is supreme. In the family head of the family is important. Everything is controlled by government or head of the state. How can you say this idea of supreme controller is false?. Let us analyse according to your idea let us assume that there is no controller what will happen to the nation?. Everything will be ind chaos. Similarly the cosmic manifestation consists of millions and millions of galaxies, sun, moon, planets, clusters, super clusters etc. everything is functioning smoothly in an perfect order for millions and millions of years. Do you say it is chance?. This is absolutely nonsense.

    If there is laws of nature then there must be law maker, If there is creation there must be a creator this is a straight factual logic. Do you know about the second law of thermo dynamics. This is a universally accepted natural law by all the great scientists and is a perfect science. All the theories and laws of so called scientists are subjected to changes but this second law is not subjected to any change till now. According to second law of thermo dynamics everything goes from order to disorder this is the law. Unless there is an intelligent directional force to sustain the matter everything rapidly collapses or becomes more disorderly. Darwins warm pond theory is “from disorder or chaos comes life or order”. This is totally against the second law of thermo dynamics. This has been proved to be false when modern scientists again tried the uri millers experiment in their labs trying to mimic primitive atmosphere. This uri millers experiment is proved to be a failure and no building blocks of proteins except alanine is found in his sample. Remaining are just a poisonous junk which will destroy remaining molecules.

    Any honest chemist and molefcular biologist shall admit this fact that, peptide bonds and protein synthesis cannot take place in the water in an reducing atmosphere. If there is no oxygen UV rays destroys molecules if there is oxygen everything will get oxidized and and oxygen also destroys any molecules. This is catch 22 situation for scientists. Therefore brothers this oshos process of meditation is not a spiritual meditation this is simply body and mind relaxation methods. Spirit or soul is beyond the layers of gross body or mind and intelligence. What you experience is nothing but tricking your mind from external miseries for some time. As soon as your meditation is over again you have to experience distressful conditions of life in this material world. It is just like some people are too much engrossed in watching serial or movie in a TV they are totally ignorant what is happening around them.

    Therefore my humble submission for all brothers who are seeking to find the absolute truth is try to analyse GOD scientifically and not whimcycley. Enjoyment is different from realization. some People enjoy seeing cinema, some people enjoy reading fairy tales, some people enjoy reading poems, some people enjoy reading various philosophies, some people enjoy fighting, some people enjoy music. But one who is realized will live a life as per the instructions of GOD.

    Yours spiritual well wisher

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  27. namo namah. if you are awake.. as u claim, why waste energy by commenting on every question on quora about sadhguru or writing blogs and making videos about him and his followers, the fact is u are simply obsessed with him and for all i knw obsessions is not a good virtue to have when one is a seeker.

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