Was Shiva the Real Adiyogi or Is that Sadhguru’s Nonsense?

Recently, a 112 foot Adiyogi statue was unveiled in Isha Foundation, Coimbatore by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The beautiful statue was designed by Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev as a credit to the first yogi and as an inspiration for the world. But who is the actual first yogi revered by yogic tradition? Was it really the mystical Lord Shiva or someone else? Sadly, the original Adi yogi has been forgotten and has been replaced by a carelessly spun story by Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev.

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Let me first quote the story as it is narrated by Sadhguru.

Story of AdiYogi as narrated by Sadhguru

“When we say “Shiva,” there are two fundamental aspects that we are referring to. The word “Shiva” literally means “that which is not.” On another level, when we say “Shiva,” we are referring to a certain yogi, the Adiyogi or the first yogi, and also the Adi Guru, the first Guru, who is the basis of what we know as the yogic science today.

In the yogic culture, Shiva is not seen as a God. He was a being who walked this land and lived in the Himalayan region. As the very source of the yogic traditions, his contribution in the making of human consciousness is too phenomenal to be ignored. This predates all religion.

Over 15,000 years ago, Adiyogi appeared in the upper regions of the Himalayas. No one knew where he came from or what his origins were. He just came and went into intense ecstatic dance upon the mountains.

People saw that he was experiencing something that nobody had known before, something that they were unable to fathom. So they gathered around him wanting to know what it was. But no one had the courage to go near him because he was so intense, like a blazing flame of fire. So they waited, hoping something would happen. Some people waited for months and left and Only seven hardcore seekers stuck on. These seven were insistent that they must learn from him, but Shiva ignored them. They pleaded and begged him, “Please, we want to know what you know.”

At last after 84 years of intense sadhana,he decided to become a Guru. On a full moon day which is known as Guru Pournami because the Adiyogi transformed himself into the Adi Guru – the first Guru was born on that day. He took the seven disciples to Kantisarovar and started a systematic exposition of yoga in a scientific manner. He began propounding the whole mechanics of life to these seven people, not intellectually as a philosophy, but experientially. He explored every nut and bolt of creation with them. He brought forth yoga as a technology with which every human being can evolve himself.

The transmission went on for a long period of time. After many years, when it was complete and had produced seven fully enlightened beings, who are today celebrated as the Sapta Rishis, Adiyogi sent each one of them to different parts of the world. One went to Central Asia. Another went to North Africa and the Middle East, where certain schools exist even today. Another went to South America, and that is one culture that imbibed it in a deep way and made something big out of it. One went to East Asia.

One stayed right there with Adiyogi. Another one came to the lower regions of the Himalayas and started what is known as Kashmiri Shaivism. Another one went south into the Indian Peninsula. This one is very important for us because he is Agastya Muni. Of the seven Sapta Rishis, Agastya Muni has been the most effective in terms of bringing the spiritual process into practical life, not as a teaching, philosophy or a practice, but as life itself. It is the benefit of what he did that the Indian people are still enjoying because he produced hundreds of yogis who were like fireballs.” and it goes on.”

First, it looks like Sadhguru has mixed two different stories and made them into one story. I don’t mean that Sadhguru would have intentionally done that. Regardless of whether someone is enlightened or not, human memory has its limitations. Sadhguru probably heard these stories long time ago and due to memory errors, he might have made the two stories into one, which narrates something that never happened. I don’t blame Sadhguru, but the blind followers who simply take whatever Sadhguru says as correct.

I think it is important to make a few things clear. Let me first discuss who this Shiva is and a story from mythology that talks about Dakshinamurthy. Then I will talk about the real Adi yogi, who initiated 8 sages and sent them to different parts of the world.

Who is Shiva?

First, the word ‘Shiva’ doesn’t mean ‘that which is not’, as said by Sadhguru. I have no idea how he came up with such a meaning. The word ‘Shiva’ means ‘auspicious’, which has always been used as an adjective in Vedas. The word has been used for many deities, not just Rudra, the earliest form of Lord Shiva that we know today. It was just a word used to honour someone. Slowly, the word ‘Shiva’ got associated with the Vedic deity Rudra.

Second, mythology is not history. The stories in mythology might have been created for various reasons: to convey deep mystic teachings in the form of a story, to help people to develop devotion for a personified form of the ultimate truth as an aid towards self-realization, to entertain people etc. A puranic story always has multiple contradictory versions, each of them created by people to glorify their own favourite personal God.

Sadhguru has many times indicated that this Adiyogi is the same as Dakshinamoorthy. But the story of Dakshinamoorthy and the story of the Adiyogi who sent 8 rishis to different parts of the world are two entirely different stories.

Let me narrate a puranic story. When Lord Brahma was doing his work of creation, he created many sons from different parts of his body. Four of his sons named Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanandana and Sanatkumara were born from the mind of Brahma. These four people became Brahmacharis against the wish of their father. It is also said that Brahma became very angry because of that, and out of anger Rudra, the earliest form of Shiva was born.

But in Shaivite traditions, it is said that these four people approached Shiva who then assumed the form of Dakshinamoorthy to teach them. He taught them about Self-realization using chin mudra that symbolically shows how a person realizes the ultimate truth. That was all his teaching! According to the story, he just taught the essence of all the scriptures by a small gesture. Note that this applies to all traditions, not just Yoga. Most of the Indian schools of thought like Advaita, Yoga, and Samkya have the same essence even though they use different terminologies.

There are different stories associated with these four kumaras. Some of them are contradictory. Each purana has its own version. So, it is very clear that Dakshinamoorthy is a pure form created for devotion and sadhana, not a historical being who walked on the earth. And Dakshninamoorthy was not shown as teaching traditional Yoga at all. He is clearly not the Adiyogi of the yogic tradition. But this is not to deny the significance of Dakshinamoorthy in anyway. He is a great symbolic representation of enlightenment.

Who is the real Adiyogi?

During 200 BC or 300 BC, a great yogi called Nandhi natha lived in mount Kailash. He was a real human being who walked this planet and was the guru of the great Patanjali. He initiated 8 disciples (Sanatkumar, Sanakar, Sanadanar, Sananthanar, Shivayogamuni, Patanjali, Vyaghrapada, and Tirumular) and sent them to various parts of the world including central Asia to spread Advaita Shaivism. The whole Yogic tradition goes back to Patanjali whose Guru was Nandi natha. Nandi Natha also composed a poem with 26 verses called Nandikeshvara Kashika.

Even today, the Nandhi natha yogic tradition regards Nandi natha as the Adiyogi. A school of this lineage called Adi Natha does regard Shiva as the first yogi, but that was just a title given to Nandinatha, since Shiva means ‘auspicious’.

Tirumular, a well known Tamil saint and the disciple of Nandhinatha was actually the one sent by Adi yogi to south India to spread this school (not Agasthiya). Shiva sending sage Agasthiya to South India to balance the earth was just another puranic story and even that story doesn’t say that he was sent to south India to teach Yoga, as Sadhguru narrates.(Again, this is not to deny the significance of Agasthiya; He was a great Siddha who made great contribution to the world).

Vigyan Bhairav Tantra – 112 techniques for Yoga

Sadhguru also says that Adiyogi statue is 112 feet high and this is to represent the 112 techniques given by Lord Shiva. These 112 techniques are from Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, which is claimed to be a part of ancient Kashmir Shaivaite text called Rudrayamala. It was composed by an unknown author sometime around 8th century AD as a form of imaginary conversation between Shiva and Shakthi.

So, this Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is in no way related to the Adiyogi  Nandhi natha or a historical man called Shiva. The whole text of Vigyan Bhairav Tantra was actually popularized by Osho all over the world. Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is a very rare text which was translated to English by Paul Reps based on the commentary given by Swami Lakshman Joo Raina, a self-realized mystic of Kashmir Shaivism. The translation of Paul Reps was used by Osho to give his own commentaries.

The credit of popularizing Vigyan Bhairav Tantra goes to these three people:  Lakshman Joo, Paul Reps and Osho. Without them, not many people would have known about this valuable text.

As I already mentioned in my previous article ‘The Journey of a Seeker’, Sadhguru uses so many anecdotes, information, views and ideas given by Osho but never gives him credit. Osho was a honest and courageous man who created a great worldwide awareness about self-realization. He was the first man to popularize the fact that there is nothing wrong for a self-realized man to live a normal life with all the luxuries of the world. If Osho didn’t have the courage to own 92 Rolls Royces and still claim enlightenment, we wouldn’t be accepting Sadhguru owning a helicopter or playing golf. It is easier to accept Sadhguru now because we have already seen Osho like this. Osho did all the ground work but the poor man doesn’t get the credit.

The Adiyogi statue looks beautiful, there is no question. But he didn’t build this statue to give credit for whoever the adiyogi was. It is simply a statue of Lord Shiva built to attract crowds and tourists. If Sadhguru is the kind of man who gives credit to people, then he would have given credit to Nandhi Natha (the actual Adi yogi) and Osho already.

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Author: Shanmugam

I am a blogger and I was a spiritual seeker. I had a tremendous awakening experience in July 12, 2014 on a Gurupurnima day in the presence of Sadhguru but I wouldn’t call that as spiritual enlightenment. But it did free me from many things and changed many things.

41 thoughts on “Was Shiva the Real Adiyogi or Is that Sadhguru’s Nonsense?”

    1. No body can be 100% sure about the past… But some of the things that I said can be verified by yourself…

      1) Shiva means auspicious… Look up any sanskrit dictionary this is what you will find.. You can also find numerous vedic texts where Shiva is used as an adjective for all vedic deities…

      2) The vedic deity Rudra came to be known as Shiva in the long run… Shiva as we know today is obviously a mythological character… No one can really prove that he actually existed on the planet.

      3) There is an adiyogi called nandinatha who is talked about in many texts including thirumanthiram. But there is no reason to believe that this adiyogi is same as Shiva who is talked about in mythology.

      4) He is taking everything that is known about Shiva as one, and giving us a cocktail version. He says that this same Adiyogi was Shiva who married Parvathi and who gave birth to Ganesh and Skandha. He has talked about this in many of his talks. When he said that all these people were actually yogis, I did find it attractive; but when it became obvious to me that he was just stating his own opinions and presenting them as facts, I stopped giving much importance to everything he says… In future, he may even go ahead and say that everything said in puranas are true…

      There is no use in believing what I say or what he says anyway.. The statue is beautiful, I don’t disagree… But I think people should stop being blind and stop taking everything he says as gospel.

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      1. Neither i believe you nor sadhguru ; because i simply do not know what it is.
        And all in all ; you also shouldn’t believe others translation.

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      2. There is nothing wrong in calling Nandhinatha as Shiva when you use the word ‘Shiva’ just as an adjective to mean ‘auspicious’..

        But if you tell me that this same Nandhinatha is the one who married Parvathi and gave birth to Ganesha and Skandha, if you make a statue of Nandhinatha with a crescent moon on his head and snake on his neck, then we are mixing history and mythology. And that is what Sadhguru is doing.

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  1. This is a great article. I especially like the part where you lucidly explain that allegories were developed in ancient mythology to attract the curiosity of people who would otherwise wouldn’t care about self-realization.

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  2. You are an idiot. Haven’t you even heard about bhairava vijyana. Adiyogi is among many names of Shiva. Adi means first. He was the first one ever existed in entire human history who showed that human can go beyond his physical nature. No one ever has touched even one percent of what Adiyogi had achieved. And for that he never got enough recognition. And throughout history there has been many who utilized his work but never gave credit like Gautama himself used only 1st method among 112 methods and became budha. And this is what aches Sadhuru. He is just doing marketing for shiva, that he himself was not interested in, by calling him Adiyogi.

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  3. Adiyogi is among many names of Shiva. Adi means first. He was the first one ever existed in entire human history who showed that human can go beyond his physical nature. No one ever has touched even one percent of what Adiyogi had achieved. And for that he never got enough recognition. And throughout history there has been many who utilized his work but never gave credit like Gautama himself used only 1st method among 112 methods and became budha. And this is what aches Sadhuru. He is just doing marketing for shiva, that he himself was not interested in, by calling him Adiyogi.

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    1. First of all, do you think calling someone ‘idiot’ just to make your point is appropriate? Is this what you learnt from Isha? I see such a behavior from a lot of people who try to defend Sadhguru.. Anyway, Sadhguru repeats Osho’s words and you are just repeating Sadhguru’s words.. No one can be pretty sure about the past, thats my point… And I am questioning Sadhguru’s certainty…

      Also, I am pretty sure that the word ‘Shiva’ DOES NOT mean ‘that which is not’… Anybody who has some knowledge in Sanskrit would know that.. So, please do your own research…

      Also, remember that I don’t have anything against Sadhguru.. I always try to take a completely neutral position when writing such things… I am only against blindly following anybody and taking anyone’s word without doing any research…

      Also, did you even read the complete article? I have read Vigyan Bhairav Tantra completely… Osho gave a complete commentary on it and Sadhguru is simply repeating Osho’s words.. Read my article again.

      Finally, with all due respect, I would appreciate if you refrain from using the words such as ‘idiot’ and stupid’… This is not a place to fight or abuse… And this is the last thing that I would expect from someone who has been listening to Sadhguru…

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      1. The roots of Śiva in folk etymology is “śī” which means “in whom all things lie, pervasiveness” and va which means “embodiment of grace”.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
        Now if you are gifted with even a little common sense then you can tell that “in whom all THINGS lie” would itself be empty which can easily we rephrased to “that which is not”, where THINGS means all physical matter of the universe. A single sanskrit word can have multiple meanings depending on context. Sadhguru himself says that shi-va means no-thingness not nothingness.
        And I’m sorry for using those negative words. I’m not defending Sadhguru and I’ve never visited isha foundation, I’m just trying to stop you from spreading wrong information. Hardly in a century great enlightened souls like Sadhguru appear on planet who take us all a step close to reality. He is one of a kind just as Osho or buddha was. Before I knew Sadhguru my believe on spirituality was close to zero due to the nonsense stories widely spread across hindu dharm but after watching sadhguru and hearing him talking about spirituality in a scientific way, my believe on spirituality is close to 100. And I’m also a great follower of OSHO. I see them both as modern pillars of Yogic science.
        So my advise to you is this that try to spread information that scientifically explains yogic processes instead of writing against enlightened beings, at least not before you yourself become enlightened.

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      2. Did you see that it is folk etymology? Folk etymology is something that is spread by common people who actually make up these things for various reasons… It is just like folk psychology which is different from the actual science of psychology… Some of these concepts are taken from poetry as well.. But it is not the actual etymology of the word ‘shiva’…

        Yes.. It is true that a single word in sanskrit has many meanings… I know some basic Sanskrit myself and I always do deep research before writing anything… But the word ‘shiva’ as it was used in the earliest Sanskrit always meant auspiciousness.. Later on, the word changed to mean the puranic God Shiva…

        Anyway, even if you take the folk etymological meaning of ‘in which all things lie’, you cannot simply define it as ‘no-thingness’ by our own logic. Of course, I understand where you are coming from. In spiritual context, no-thingness is usually referred to the source of everything, which is not a thing in itself, which cannot be defined by words etc…. But etymology doesn’t work that way. We can’t simply use this to change the actual etymology of a word. Because ‘that which all things lie’ doesn’t always have to be in spiritual context. The ancient human beings who probably used this root might have meant something that was related to human survival.

        You said ‘ I’m just trying to stop you from spreading wrong information’.. Actually, this is exactly what I am doing. I am also creating an awareness in people to not to blindly take whatever anyone says, no matter who he is (Look up ‘authority bias’)

        There is a difference between ‘certainty’ and ‘possibility’… People often misunderstand possibility as certainty… It is quite possible that there was actually a man whose name was ‘Shiva’, who walked on this planet and who was the first person to start or aggregate the nuances of yogic science.. But is it a certainty? How can anyone be certain about the past this way? If someone assumes that the very same Shiva was the adiyogi, he was also the one who married parvathi and gave birth to Ganesh and Skandha (which comes from puranic literature that grew long after after 100 BC or 100 AD) and he was also the on who gave those 112 techniques (which was actually written in medieval period, probably thousand years after the supposed adi yogi was born), then it is purely confirmation bias and not critical thinking.

        The beginning of my commitment to spiritual path goes back more than 15-20 years ago. In all these years, I have seen a lot.. There is usually a spiritual honeymoon period that one goes through as soon as he discovers the spiritual path. Suddenly his perspective about the world changes and it causes a lot of excitement and also mental peace. I think you are probably in such a spiritual honeymoon period. But there is more to this… Read my story here and you may understand what I am trying to say: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2017/05/10/the-journey-of-a-seeker-my-story/

        No one is infallible, regardless of whether they are enlightened or not.. Sometimes even enlightened people say things which are not correct. I have already given a few examples in my post ‘Journey of a seeker’ about it. Please take your time to go through it.

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    1. I have already read the book … Let me let you once again, I have read probably most of the things that Sadhguru spoke in the last 10 years, including his book Mystic musings. And I was impressed as you are right now.

      You haven’t addressed anything I said.. But I can understand, I would have responded the same way you do some 7-8 years ago.

      If you can. read my post ‘Journey of the seeker’ with open-minded attention. I have addressed many things there..

      Anyway, if Sadhguru is really enlightened, none of this is going to bother him. And I have always tried to take an unbiased stance when criticizing many of what he says. The reason people have problem with such things is because of the hardwired need that we have to follow, defend and get emotionally attached to an authority figure. And that is not in anyway related to enlightenment or spiritual path itself.

      Darshan is not about another person. It is about you. The true Guru is inside you. The outer Guru is only an excuse. Everything is about you and you only..

      I am not seeing this as a debate. For me, anything that comes out of me is just a natural response. I am completely aligned with and feel one with the rest of the universe with absolutely no conflicts. But If you feel that you are debating and it is distracting you from your sadhana, then thats good.. Let us stop this discussion and you proceed with your spiritual journey. And I wish you all the best!

      Let me just end with one thing that Buddha said:

      “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.

      Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations. …

      Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

      But when, after observation and analysis, you find anything that agrees with reason, and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

      – Buddha, Kalama Sutta

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      1. I agree with last paragraph.
        The hurdles that are most often faced by spiritual seekers is of choice. You don’t believe anything until you experience it by yourself, that’s fine, but when you say he was right and he is wrong then it’s a problem.
        Darshan is all about seeing the truth. I don’t think that anyone knows anything about the origin of yogic science except highlightened and mystical beings who has seen the truth. And yoga is not about Sanskrit language and it’s origin, but about Darshan. May be Sadhguru and people like him had had the Darshan of absolute emptiness and of the transmission left by Shiva at Kailash and at other sacred spaces.
        And so I believe along with other thousands of spiritual seekers that whatever he says comes from his direct experience with Shiva. He also says that 50% of what he says and does is collaborated by Shiva himself. Sadhguru refer to him as his silent partner.
        And I find so much logic in whatever he says than any other text.

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      2. What you said exactly reflects how my own mindset was few years before..

        You said “I don’t think that anyone knows anything about the origin of yogic science except highlightened and mystical beings who has seen the truth. ”

        I used to believe this as well because I was also completely convinced in the way he is explaining things… But later on, I found out many things. Thats a long story…

        Whether it is really possible to know the past because of yogic sciences, I don’t know.. I have read the complete Patanjali Sutras and the book does say that many things are possible. But I don’t know yet. It might be possible or might not be. I have an open mind on that.

        But can Sadhguru actually do this? I am questioning it because some of the things he said actually reveals that he cannot do it.

        What if he is just saying most of the things based on what he has read from various books? Go through this answer that I gave in Quora:
        https://www.quora.com/Is-Sadhguru-a-conman/answer/Shanmugam-P-12?srid=hJCJi

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  4. See my friend whatever you said here and in the articles you refered, I agree with that. There is no way I can’t be. But I don’t support this.

    I don’t have to do anything with who Sadhguru really is and with his personal life. He might be a robot, and forget about his enlightenment. What I know is that he’s a great story teller that appeals to the logical mind, he tells stories that had never been written or spoken because in the past such stories were never needed. In the past spiritual seekers used to speak stories as metaphors just like codes like brahma created all life forms on earth by getting infatuated by his own creation and there are many avatars of Shakti as kali, durga and so on. And all these metaphors seems appalling in modern time. They all seem rediculous. These netaphors never tell the truth directly, the truth is encoded within them. So we need people who can decode these metaphors and tell us the another story that young as well as intellectual mind can cherish. And this is where Sadhguru seems to fit in. And that’s why we don’t find proofs of what he said in sanskrit text.

    I know that he does few mistakes when comes to give scientific explanation on spiritual process but I’m not sure. I am ignorant of his mistakes. He has said many times that he has never read anything as once in his talk with Deepak chopra, I knew that he’s lying but I ignored it. You said that he copies Osho without giving him credit, I agree but I’ll ignore it too. Why? because I personally don’t have to do anything with these guys. What I care about is Yoga and its future. Osho and sadhguru are just mere different chapters in the great book of yoga, some paragraphs can be here and there to make a chapter look nice and appealing but they all be there in a single book.

    Do you know there is another world emerging right now called Pschedelics. And these are said to induce mystical and spiritual experience and leaves a long lasting impact on mind and cures mental illnesses. Some western philosophers like Jason Silva working and spreading great awareness about its usage and benefits and completely repels yoga and also say that they don’t need yoga as they say it is traditional to what psychedelics are. And a large population of young as well as old people begin taking micro doses of psychedelics on regular basis. Some groups of people use both micro dosing as well as yoga. And there numbers are exponentially increasing. And there is third population of people like us who only do yoga if you already don’t take psychedelics. And it worries me and may be OSHO and sadhguru too as they said LSD drugs don’t induce experience better than yoga. But psychedecs evolve and yoga doesn’t but yogic stories can evolve, we can tell the stories about what yoga can do by reaching to its ultimate stages.

    Suppose if we didn’t have people like OSHO, sadhguru and Ramadev baba who penetrated well among large population of the world and made them realize the importance of yoga which they otherwise would never realize, what would be the present of yoga would be?

    Some western neuroscientists found a hormone called Anandamide named after the word Ananda(absolute ecstasy) which we release during blissful experiences. According to them this is the highest level of blissful experience human is capable of having.
    There is another group of scientists and philosopher working on the root of subjective experience. Among them David charmers say that consciousness is fundamental force of universe which makes human experience their mental contents. Another scientist called Rupert Sheldrake proposed a theory of morphic field which states that all living things are organized by a coherent field which also include human thoughts and emotions and these fields have inherent qualities means they have memory of their own. I doubt that morphic field theory is what we call chitta and karma and Rupert has just imitated by telling a different story that appeals to the logical mind without stating anything about yoga, now this is something we can fight for. But we in Bharat always take Yogic processes for granted. Why can’t our scientists and yogis themselves put forward theories on mystical experience like transmission between a yogi and dhyanlinga. We know that transmission is not just a joke, there is an immense possibility for scientific exploration. But we always take such processes for granted and this is what ceasing the scientific flow of yoga among people. Quantum physics is full of such ideas that can’t be proven easily, but physicists are always open to such ideas.

    So instead of arguing over someone’s credibility in the great book of yoga, why don’t you and we add a new mind boggling chapter to it and start decoding the meaning behind what’s in there already. This is how our great Vedas and scriptures are made, isn’t it? You will always find some overlap between different parts of the Vedas. Let the evolution of yoga continue that has been stagnant for the last few thousands years but this time this evolution should be scientific too.

    So let these gurus do their best in spreading yoga across the globe and get people excited about it even if it seems pseudoscientific to us because such gurus are very few or only one in a very long time. If a school kid got excited about yoga just because of Sadhguru and when he reads these articles of yours and watched those interviews on television, now what? I know very well you don’t intend to do so. Sadhguru is the most easily accessible living guru in the world right now and all his asylums and foundations with teaching facilities are there because our gods left nothing behind except written text. He is doing a rally for rivers that no one previously thought about, ideas about new teaching ways, about business that will do good all from top to down and so much more. He has done so much good in the world that I have never seen any guru has ever done before, they all just remained yogi. Now it shouldn’t bother us whether this robot is enlightened or not and if it is, we’ll never know that but we can put forward some theories just like David charmers, Rupert sheldrake and all those quantum physicists did.

    Let these gurus do their best and let’s do our best in expanding yoga not just spreading.

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    1. You have talked about so many things here.. I agree with a few of them but not everything.. What I am trying to do here is just to make the readers to see through the bias and not to take everything blindly.

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    2. My motivation for writing some articles in this blog are listed here:

      1) Science and spirituality should be bridged. A collaboration of spirituality and science can do a lot more than what is being done now by Gurus.. In this century, it is the best way to go.

      2) No human being is infallible. If someone is giving you a technique or method to help you towards your spiritual growth, trying it out doesn’t do any harm; But when you take everything that person says as true just because the methods he is giving is working for you in someway, then it is more likely that you are stuck where you are in the spiritual path. At the end of the day, it is you who walk the path and you have to follow your own light. True Sadhguru is inside you, in fact it is You!

      Finally here is a Zen Koan for you to look up and ponder over; And it is for everyone who reads this post:

      If you meet the Buddha, kill him. (逢佛殺佛)

      — Linji

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      1. You write these articles just to attract audience and to show your frustration about your failed career.
        You blame Sadhguru so much just because he didn’t give credit to OSHO on using his few lines. All you write is bullshit. May be it’s because of the psychology books that you have been eating. I have read few articles in the past that psychologist are among the highest having mental disorders and OSHO also said it in one of his talks. I went through some of your articles, and I noticed that there is nothing scientific and spiritual about them as you have stated above, they are full of failed trials, lurked frustration, blame, judgement and these articles appeared quite destimulating. I see a man who seems frustrated because he couldn’t get what he supposed to get through spiritual practices and now start showing his frustration through these articles by blaming others whose methods didn’t workout for him. You seem a man whose meditation is happening inside his stomach, a man who hides his weaknesses through psychological explanations. You are a straw man, coldblooded one.

        I shouldn’t have wasted my time. Your articles won’t help anyone in any way. Go and find a job.

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      2. I don’t have any frustrations at all about anything from my past. And I don’t think about past at all. Let us not get into any personal attacks.. I am not interested in engaging personal attacks or proving whether I am frustrated or peaceful..

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  5. Criticism is the essence of knowledge and needs to be held within the brink. Getting emotional over trifle matters need to be arrested. By age I am elderly but by Vedic knowledge still a novice.By reading subjects as above I am amassing volume of information derived from the pros and cons discussed. Please keep it healthy. Thank you. F.N.I. I am a retired Malaysian Government Officer.

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  6. Your title is ‘Sadhguru’s nonsense?’ – You are taking classes to everybody not to use words stupid, idiot. And you are not interested in personal attacks…it’s really funny. Too much mindfullness, please stop all your bullshit and try to meditate. When you really realized and people around you without a single word, that your very presence make them to go beyond their physical limitations, you can speak all this rubbish. Till then better to be quiet and walk the path. You speak too much about Osho…you think you can ever understand who Osho is through his books. If you think you can understand then I am sorry i have to use that word, you should be stupid. Don’t do this to yourself. Oh…you don’t like advices but all your blogs are just advices and instructions of what Sadhguru followers should do, shouldn’t do. Also somebody saying you as stupid, idiot – don’t take that as personal attacks, that could be true. Possibly they could be seeing few of your qualities that you yourself not able to see. Take it as a comment. And look into yourself and without bias read all your blogs once again, you might realize that what they are saying is true. Just for your introspection i want to give one example, your arguments was based on one unknown guy who wrote book 1700 years about a Guru and his 8 disciples. You don’t even know who that guy is, you never experienced him, he never transformed your life but you hold that strong because it was 1700 years old. Like that there are plenty of foolish arguments through out. Need not to reply me immediately take your own time. Have a break for a month, without a word be in silence, do your sadhana, and look into yourself and without bias read all your blogs once again, you might realize that what they are saying is true.

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    1. Do you know the meaning of the word nonsense? Something that doesn’t make sense is nonsense… There is a different between saying ‘what you say doesn’t make sense’ and ‘you are an idiot’.. The first is about a particular statement and the second is a personal attack…

      You have also written ‘ Too much mindfulness, please stop all your bullshit and try to meditate.’,, Do you know anything about me and my life? Do you have a single idea about my life for the past 35 years? Who told you that I did not meditate? And do you know what mindfulness is in the first place? (because you have written ‘too much mindfulness’, )

      Don’t make quick assumptions and conclusions about a person without knowing about the person…

      You said ‘Also somebody saying you as stupid, idiot – don’t take that as personal attacks, that could be true’.. I have not written about people calling ‘me’ as stupid.. Forget about me… Read that post again, I am talking about people calling everyone as stupid and engaging in personal attacks.

      You said ‘your arguments was based on one unknown guy who wrote book 1700 years about a Guru and his 8 disciples’.. Then who is your argument based on? You just heard someone say something and believed that it is true…

      My point is, no one can be certain about the past… Probably the story of nandhinatha could be wrong and something like that never happened. But then you can use the same logic for what Sadhguru says too…I have already explained in the post as well in the comments very elaborately…

      Since you made a lot of assumptions about me without knowing me, go through this post: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2017/05/10/the-journey-of-a-seeker-my-story/

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      1. Just google ‘stupid’ it says the meaning – lacking intelligence or common sense. I am saying there is no intelligence in what you are speaking, you are just trying to be too smart. So you first understand stupid is not bad word. As I said they are pointing your quality, just consider that seriously that could be true. If no one certain about past then all your blog could be closed in 2 lines “Sadhguru says this…I don’t know whether it is true or not. Neither I believe nor I disbelieve it” That’s it. But you won’t do that, you have to show your smartness, you have to vomit all the nonsense that you have read. Sorry man, life is like this only. If you throw wonderful things around you, you are wonderful man. If you through stupidity, you are stupid. You might be having divine within you but what you throw out decides who you are. If you think anybody can understand or know you by reading 10 para biography written by yourself then its absolute stupidity. You think you only have rights to call someone nonsense, other people also have their rights, let them exercise it. And Javed, he is more than stupid or idiot, leave his stupid logic, he is not even willing to listen, he just try to ridicule things. So he got what he deserved. People are just helping him, pointing him and to look at his stupidity. So you need not to worry about him. It’s time for you to work about yourself. Sitting with closed eyes need not be a meditation. That’s why I asked you to MEDITATE. If you were really meditating this stupidity to show yourself as SMART would have gone. More than that don’t call all your bullshit as Science or Logic. What you speak is rudimentary logic could be compared to Communist or Dravidian groups logic.

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      2. If no one can be certain about past, then what makes you to think Sadhguru can be so certain about it?

        I can see the problem here.. Your whole conclusion about me is formed because I have criticized Sadhguru and said that his statements don’t make sense.

        You said you have the rights to state your opinions. Fine, you have done that and I have stated mine. So, let us end this discussion here.

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  7. HE might know it, who knows? Don’t believe or disbelieve, that’s all I am saying. Don’t try to draw conclusions with your bullshits, that you gathered from books. If you had insight that he is wrong then share with whole world. Otherwise you should shut up as per your logic. Because you are advising everybody that they should not speak what they didn’t experience. What makes Sadhguru is not what he speaks, speech is only for stupids who couldn’t experience his presence. People experienced Sadhguru don’t care what HE speaks, because it doesn’t matter. Whoever tasting laddu, not interested in discourses about Laddu. Try to eat laddu, don’t exhaust your whole life in speaking about laddu. All the speech, infrastructures, advertisements and everything is to attract you towards laddu, your job is to just eat it when somebody offers you. Nobody interested in your discourses, whether you had laddu or not, that’s the whole point. If you are sincere or true within yourself, you should have said only one thing, that what you experienced with HIM. Whether you experienced Bliss or only backpain, that’s all you could share because that is only true for you. All other things are just rubbish collected from various trash bins. Conclusions about you? That’s why I told you to read your blogs without bias, it’s full of your conclusions with stupid logic, your blog is full of your nonsense. You can’t see it now because you invested so much on it. Sit back for a month, do your sadhana. Then nobody need to say you stupid, you will know by yourself. Do something sensible for yourself.

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    1. Dont confuse experience of bliss with some historical knowledge.. Sadhguru is not a historian. History has its own method called historical method.

      Just because someone gets enlightened, it doesn’t mean he will become omniscient.. It doesn’t mean he will know everything from the past. If someone claims so, it is a strong indication that the person is faking enlightenment..

      You said ‘Don’t try to draw conclusions with your bullshits, that you gathered from books.’.. How is anyone supposed to know any historical information without reading books? Are you kidding? Again, you are confusing between objective and subjective knowledge.. If you want to know your real nature, you have to meditate. But if you want to know about Mahatma Gandhi, you have to read an authentic book or get the information from a trustable resource..

      There is a reason why I asked you to read my spiritual journey. From the beginning, you have been asking me to meditate, without having any idea about my life. I forgot the whole world for nearly three years after I immersed myself in meditation. My sadhana was a lifelong sadhana, it is not a joke. It was a problem of life and death.

      From the beginning, you have are not on speaking terms but instead you have been engaging in personal attacks. You don’t want to have a conversation but you just want to fight.You don’t want to refute any of my arguments with valid points. Ever heard of ad hominem? Take your time, Google it and understand what it means. Because all of your comments are only filled with ad hominem. The main reason why you do this is because this post criticizes Sadhguru’s statements about Adiyogi. You believe that Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev cannot be and never be wrong in anything and what he says is absolutely right.

      Your only logic is this: If Sadhguru says something, then it is right.. If anyone finds anything wrong in what Sadhguru says, then that person is not only an idiot but whatever he says is complete bullshit!

      But what people like you don’t understand is, this blind following of a person and letting their emotions completely hijack their intelligence is what motivated me to write many of my recent posts regarding Sadhguru in the first place. Because, I was also a blind believer of Sadhguru, for 13 years! Please read the previous sentence one more time: not for one year, not for three years, for thirteen years.. I trusted that everything he says either comes after careful consideration or some kind of mystical vision. I myself have fought with many people and defended him. Just like a boy who is on a crazy and insane love with a girl, I was crazy about Sadhguru and Isha foundation.

      When I write this, my mind remembers many things that happened in the past. I remember the day when I went running like a crazy man, running as fast as I could, from the bus stand near Isha yoga centre to Adiyogi alayam inside the Ashram, because I want to sit in the front row for Sadhguru’s satsang and I didn’t want to be even a single minute late; I remember the day when I got angry on my sister for calling Sadhguru an ‘idiot’ and stopped speaking with her; I remember the day when I shouted in my office, in front of about 90 people who were my colleagues and said ‘No one is qualified to talk against Sadhguru’, when someone asked me about certain allegations against Sadhguru; I remember the day when I insisted my relatives to buy cereals and pickles from the shop inside the ashram because the pack of every product says that a certain percentage of the price goes to charity to help poor people. I remember the day when I got angry with my father when he said “Remove that snake ring from your finger, it will prevent you from having a child. If you really consider me as your father, remove it!”.. I remember the day when I got a permanent tattoo of a linga in my shoulders, out of my love towards Dhyanalinga. I remember the day when I decided to name my son ‘lingesh’. I remember the day when I have to convince my wife to buy linga bhairavi gudi and dhyanalinga yantra for about Rs.33,000.

      I went through a transformation myself in 2014. That is something that I have covered in detail in many posts. That is when I forgot about the whole world and just lived my life with full involvement, with no conflicts and with absolute peace for three years. There were a few difficulties but the whole three years passed like a blissful dream overall.

      It is only in the last few months, I was able to completely see through my beliefs. And I was able to understand the reality of Sadhguru. Whatever I am doing right now is just the way my life expresses itself. Let me repeat Osho’s words here just like Sadhguru does: don’t believe me, don’t disbelieve me! You have no idea about the way I function in the world.. And, you have no idea that you yourself are bringing down the reputation of Isha by giving completely fallacious arguments filled with ad hominem attacks.

      Someone else asked me before if I have some agenda and asked about the reason why I write certain posts. Let me just state here the reply I gave him: My mission is to create awareness to bridge science and spirituality, to raise the level of skepticism in people who read my posts, to stop blind followings, to stop abusive comments made by some Isha followers and other groups on the internet, to stop the endless debates between science and spirituality and to prevent misuse and abuse done in the name of ‘spiritual enlightenment’ in the future generations.

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  8. Sorry I thought only you are stupid, but it seems it comes hereditary. Because you mentioned that your father said “Remove that snake ring from your finger, it will prevent you from having a child. If you really consider me as your father, remove it!”… I don’t know how a ring going to stop you having child, even if you don’t have your finger or hand you could still have child. I don’t want to comment about your sister, but I could guess why she said such things, could be simple logic, because you supported somebody then she thought he could also be stupid. Ok jokes apart. Sadhguru is not historian, omniscient, did anyone claimed HE is? I am just saying even you or me don’t know whether what he is true or not, that’s why I said you don’t believe or disbelieve it. Don’t draw conclusions. You believed him in the past, now you are disbelieving him. Because you are so limited that you could be only in one of this condition. Just be open and see you don’t know, that’s it, then all this bullshit is not needed. HE gave methods whether it is working or not, that’s the question. Whether HIS presence make you cross your physical and mental limitations, that’s all the question is. Because you couldn’t find what HE said in few AUTHENTIC books wrote by few AUTHENTIC people, you need not to be stupid and come to some idiotic conclusion. What is the most AUTHENTIC books you are referring here to say Sadhguru’s claim is wrong? And about my personal attack, ad hominem cryings – this is my answer. Accidentally when I read your first blog…actually I wanted to give you point by point rebuttal. But when I read other blogs of you, other than your bio-data everything else is just bullshit, to the core. At least it will take a week for me to give you counter for all your bullshit and it’s unnecessary waste of time. So I am giving you this open challenge, paste any 2 para of your blog here, I cold refute your bullshit with valid points. You can paste anything because I see all your blog is just bullshit. But please don’t put your fancy claims like you forgot the whole world for 3 years. What you forgot? Did you forgot to have food or you forgot to pee? If it is so you wouldn’t be writing these stupid blogs, you would have been doing some sensible things. You had food and everything and forgot about people around you, that is not spirituality, that means you are mentally sick and you are living in your own stupid world. That’s why I am saying you are invested too much in your nonsense, try to come out of this sickness. If you don’t believe what I say, try this, next three days don’t eat, don’t pee, don’t speak, just try to sit and meditate in one place. Within 24 hours you would know how limited stupid you are. OH you and your stupid so-called spiritual journey, come on man, please have some sense, read it without bias once again, it is height of stupidity. You are going against your own words in every 10 lines. Drop this nonsense for your own well being.

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  9. First you talked only about me, and now you are talking about my family. This is getting beyond the limit. You are probably working or volunteering for Isha Foundation, aren’t you? The i.p address 117.239.66.131 that you are commenting from belongs to Isha foundation. I am mentioning it here so that the readers of these comments will know this.

    There is a common superstition that is prevalent in South India. People say that wearing a snake ring can stop someone from having a child. That is what my father was talking about.I agree, that is nonsense. But that doesn’t mean that my father is stupid. A majority of Indians believe in something, even if it seems totally nonsense. But you are crossing your limit here, mind your words…

    Look, I already told you that let us stop this discussion (‘fight’ actually) because you don’t seem to understand what I am really saying. What is the whole point of you commenting here everyday and what are you trying to achieve?

    The story of Adhiyogi that Sadhguru is giving is a cocktail version combining everything that is said about Shiva. I have clearly written about the topic, starting from the origin of the word ‘Shiva’. If someone is saying something, there should be some basis to that. What source did Sadhguru give for his claim that Shiva was a human yogi, who married a human yogini called Parvathi and gave birth to two yogis: Ganesha and Skandha.. I am not making an extraordinary claim, I am just saying that mythology is mythology. I can also come up with a story by combining some mythological stories from Vishnu purana, link it to another historical story of a different mortal man and claim that this man Vishnu is actually a yogi who walked on this planet 21,ooo years ago. Will that make any sense? Is it too difficult to come up with such a story?

    Do you mean to say no one should question what Sadhguru says?

    I know.. You will keep repeating his quote ‘Don’t believe me, don’t disbelieve me’… Sadhguru himself is repeating Osho here. But when Osho said ‘Don’t believe me, don’t disbelieve me’, he was only talking about his own spiritual experience. He himself said that he was completely fallible and whatever he said might not be factually correct.

    Many beliefs are formed unconsciously in the passage of time. Even if you decide not to blindly believe in something, when you hear certain things over and over again without questioning it, you will start believing it is true.When I said I was a blind believer, I meant that I had a trust that Sadhguru was not making up such stories.

    When someone says ‘don’t believe me, don’t disbelieve me’, he is essentially saying that ‘be skeptical but at the same time be open minded and also give me the benefit of doubt’.. I agree with this statement no matter who says it, because that is an attitude that anyone seeking any kind of knowledge should have. And I did give him the benefit of doubt for 13 years. But 13 years is very long and I have gone through many things which obviously showed me that all that Sadhguru says is not true. I would have agreed with many things you said if you had told me 5 or 10 years ago.. But you keep forgetting one important factor, a four letter word called ‘TIME’… Many things happen over the passage of time: views of the person changes, experience about the world increases, his attitude about the world changes. If the same person who was attached to Sadhguru for about 13 years is criticizing Sadhguru’s statements, there should be some reason. You can’t really understand that reason completely unless you walk in his shoes and have taken every step he took.All I can do is point out a few examples which are obvious because it is impossible to transfer the insight I got about many things over the years to you.

    By criticizing what Sadhguru says about certain things, I am not putting him down completely..If you tell me Sadhguru is insightful man and a great orator, I would agree.; If you tell me doing Isha yoga programs can be life changing, I would agree.. But if you tell me something is true just because Sadhguru says it is true, then sorry.

    When I said I forgot the world, I didn’t mean that I became immobile. As I said, I have already explained everything in my posts.

    Also, I see that you might have misunderstood something. When I said no one is 100% certain about the past, it means that the only resources we have to know about the past is things like the books written in the past, archaeological evidence etc. We reconstruct the past with historical method using the resources we have. But we don’t really know exactly how things happened and can’t be 100% sure about everything. We (when I say we, I am talking about the entire mankind) take those pieces of resources, try to connect the dots and come up with the best guess. You yourself agree that Sadhguru is not a historian. But he talks about the life of Adiyogi with certainty. I am just questioning that certainty, thats all!

    I have my own personal blog and I write these posts to express my ideas. I am living in independent India where I have the freedom of expressing my views and engage in healthy criticism. What is bothering you so much about it to come and comment here everyday? You already mentioned that you didn’t want refute my points because that is an unnecessary waste of time. Then why are you even commenting here in the first place? Look at all the above comment of yours and see how much you have typed.

    I am curious. How long has it been since you came to know about Sadhguru and Isha foundation? How many Isha programs have you done and what are they? And how old are you?

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  10. A few pointings.. call them coincidences or.. as you wish… you might start connecting dots… 🙂
    – According to one Puranic astronomical estimate, the four Yuga have the following durations: Satya Yuga equals 4800 years, Treta Yuga equals 3600 years, Dvapara Yuga equals 2400 years, Kali Yuga equals 1200 years
    – The late 4th millennium date has a precedent in the calculation of the Kaliyuga epoch, based on planetary conjunctions, by Aryabhata (6th century)
    – Aryabhatta’s date of February 18 3102 BCE for Mahābhārata war has become widespread in Indian tradition. Some sources mark this as the disappearance of Krishna from earth
    – Agastya appears in numerous itihasas and puranas including the major Ramayana and Mahabharata. Some list him as one of the Saptarishi (seven great rishi). Some accounts say he lived for 4,800 years
    – According to Hindu tradition, Ramayana takes place during a period of time known as Treta Yuga
    – Over 15,000 years ago, Adiyogi appeared in the upper regions of the Himalayas
    Add them all together and this is the logical conclusion that starts to appear: 15.000 years ago (middle of “golden age” or Satya Yuga) a “greatest” sage appears. He gives the wisdom to Agastya that lives until the begining of Treta Yuga spreading this knowledge. Ramayana from Treta Yuga and Mahābhārata from end of Dvapara Yuga both tell about Agastya. Kali yuga begins and humanity is in total darkness. It ends 2500 yrs ago when Buddha and the Christ appear, boosting the humanity spiritual evoution into the new Dvapara Yuga, that is about to end in a few decades. From here on, a new Treta Yuga is about to begin and we might witness this beginning in the century to come… 😉
    See this also: https://youtu.be/DhyzKzx03VU?t=23m

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    1. Thank you… But this really doesn’t say much about Sadhguru’s story of Adiyogi though.

      But I agree that according to the Yuga theory, 15,000 years ago was sometime in Sathya Yuga. I have also written an answer regarding this in Quora and I have included a detailed explanation in at the bottom of this comment:

      This only means one thing: Sadhguru simply chose Adiyogi’s time to be 15,000 years ago because for him it makes sense to place his time sometime during Sathya yuga. Or it could have been even a coincidence.

      But if you actually look at the puranic stories, there are no consistency in any them. If you just take Agasthya alone for example, there are countless inconsistent mentions about Agasthya in Puranas. It is the same with the stories of Shiva, Skandha and Ganesha. In Tamil Nadu, a whole purana called Thiruvillayadal purana shows that Shiva was actually a king who ruled Madurai.

      The Sanskrit word for history is ‘Ithihasa’… There are only two books which are called as ithihasa: Ramayana and Mahabharata, because they are based on historical information (even though the stories might have been modified to add some juice and fantasy to the literature).

      Indians were experts in creating mythological stories. You may be surprised to hear that Jataka tales, mythical stories about past lives of Buddha consider Agastya as one of Buddha’s past lives. At the same time, Agasthya himself was called as Shiva’s incarnation, in certain sects. Jataka tales themselves include tales where animals spoke to each other just like human beings. This itself shows that Jataka tales were imaginary tales. (But Sadhguru may say that they were animal yogis).

      Even a lot of mystics in India have the opinion that mythology are just stories created to convey certain things symbolically. For example, the churning of milky ocean is considered to be a symbolism of churning our own minds (self inquiry).

      Because of inconsistencies, contradictions, exaggerations, flattery of a particular deity etc, no one would rely on puranas for historical information. They can indirectly indicate a few things but not a direct, reliable source of historical information.

      There is another problem with puranas and Indian literature in general: There are always later interpolations.

      Anyway, here is the explanation about yugas, that I wrote in Quora:

      There are two scriptures which talk about how to calculate Yugas..
      Manusmrti
      Srimad Bhagavatam

      Both are contradictory.. Sadhguru has calculated according to manusmrti, which is the least popular own, but more accurate and fits relatively close with the modern astronomical calculation of one full precession of the equinox… Swami Yukteswar Giri has also calculated it according to manusmrti and said that we are no longer living in Kaliyuga..

      According to Manusmrti, the lengths are 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400 years + 1200 years, for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or 24,000 years to complete the cycle, which is approximately one precession of the equinox. These 4 yugas follow a timeline ratio of (4:3:2:1).
      According to Srimad Bhagavatam, the Yugas are much longer, using a divine year in which one day is equal to one human year, thus:

      one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the Tretā-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the Dvāpara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years

      The version of manusmrti seems to much reasonable to me.. While the long yuga count is the most popular, it does not correlate to any known celestial motion found in the Astronomical Almanac. The value of 24,000 years (calculation according to manusmrti) fits relatively close with the modern astronomical calculation of one full precession of the equinox, which takes 25,772 years…

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      1. Thank you for your extensive reply. You got the point about Adiyogi and Sathya yuga. And and you clearly know history stuff a lot more than I am willing to research for the moment…

        In the end, it adds up to the pint of believing. Believing one version or another, one mode of calculating or another. And I would rather leave it just be until I can know for sure… if ever..

        I’d rather spend my time practicing then extending the historical research. it’s much more productive for me. BTW, have you ever heard about Michael Langford ? He insists we should ignore the stories… 😉

        This one might be of help: https://albigen.com/uarelove/most_rapid/contents.htm

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      2. yes, I completely agree with what you said.. for anyone whose main goal is liberation, such historical details are not important.. As I have mentioned in the comments. no one can be 100% sure about the past anyway, they can come up with best guesses depending on the sources which are available.

        For me, as I have mentioned in my story, there is nothing I can do further, there is no motivation to practice anything anymore, because my seeking has ended. I have to flow with the tide for the rest of my life.. life is completely natural and devoid of conflicts, without wishing for the things to be different from the way they are..

        But I have started writing my blog because I wanted to document things that happened in life and make it available online. I also write about things which played important role in my life. And just because spiritual seekers consider history, science or etymology unimportant, it doesn’t mean that corruption of knowledge in these fields should be allowed. because, these are important for somebody else. Before I wrote this article, I googled for ‘shiva that which is not’ and I got tons of results. All of them were pages that were just repeating what Sadhguru says. This is the power of authority. People can believe in anything that an authority says. But this is actually a corruption of knowledge in the field of sanskrit etymology. Yes, you and me don’t care about it but there are other people who care.

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  11. Oh man you found out the truth, actually it’s not somebody from Isha Foundation, it’s Sadhguru himself replying you. Obviously I am Isha Volunteer, but I don’t know when my computer become Isha Foundation’s. Ok why I am coming everyday, there was a friend of mine just like you, read all the Osho, JK, Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Ramana and hundred more. He gone through some spiritual experience, then he started believing that he got enlightened. He started doing and speaking all kind of rubbish and I am seeing him now what he become. You are just going straight in his way, the way of madness. Too much smartness will never bring clarity. Just drop your nonsense. If you are sitting in a place without physical limitations is not immobility. If you understand that’s immobility, you are stupid, what else to say. The TIME should have been used to evolve yourself, not your ideas, conclusions and other stupidity. Within these 13 years you should have evolved into a man that if you walk, people unknowingly bowing down to you, that’s evolution. You comfortably forgot the open challenge that I gave you. That’s okay, I expected that. About Independent India, if you have rights to say your views, I thought I also can express my views. That’s why you kept comment section right? Not many times in your life that you will get people to tell you that you are doing stupidity and go in the right way. Please use this opportunity to look into yourself and come out of this madness.

    sadangadivedo mukhe shastravidya
    kavitvadi gadyam supadyam karoti |
    manashcenna lagnam guroranghripadme
    tatah kim tatah kim tatah kim tatah kim ||

    The Vedas with their six limbs and the knowledge of all sciences may be on one’s lips; one may possess the poetic gift and may compose fine prose and poetry; but if one’s mind be not centred upon the lotus feet of the Guru, what then, what then, what then?

    If you want to stop discussion it’s very simple, just stop replying me. I am just responding to you. If you do so I promise this is my last comment, I will check tonight once again if nothing is there, I will never come back. I will remove you from my bookmarks. Write whatever nonsense you want to write in your blogs, who cares. Have sensible and joyful life, bye.

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  12. No need to argue about past events. No one can really know the exact dates & events that took place in ancient India. We should focus on extracting meaningful knowledge that is been conveyed. I don’t care who is Adiyogi or Shiva. All that matters to me is what they said.

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